1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:06,144 --> 00:00:07,766 - In the last few weeks a large amount 3 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:09,457 of ugly, malicious information 4 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 5 00:00:09,492 --> 00:00:12,046 has been released into the media about me. 6 00:00:12,081 --> 00:00:14,738 - This investigation regarding Mister Jackson 7 00:00:14,773 --> 00:00:17,914 involves allegations of child molestation, 8 00:00:17,948 --> 00:00:20,365 288-A of the California penal code. 9 00:00:20,399 --> 00:00:24,265 - And I will not be a silent collaborator of his crimes. 10 00:00:24,300 --> 00:00:26,509 - [Interviewer] Were you ever accused 11 00:00:26,543 --> 00:00:29,926 of having sexually molested Brett Barnes? 12 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:31,134 - [Man] Don't answer that. 13 00:00:31,169 --> 00:00:32,825 - The strain of the ongoing investigation 14 00:00:32,860 --> 00:00:34,206 is clearly taking its toll. 15 00:00:34,241 --> 00:00:35,656 - I'm behind my son. 16 00:00:35,690 --> 00:00:37,244 I don't believe any of this stuff 17 00:00:37,278 --> 00:00:38,935 that has been written about him. 18 00:00:38,969 --> 00:00:41,041 - We support our brother wholeheartedly. 19 00:00:41,075 --> 00:00:44,492 - The the felony complaint involves nine counts. 20 00:00:44,527 --> 00:00:47,150 - [News Reporter] So has the star simply buckled under pressure? 21 00:00:47,185 --> 00:00:50,636 Is the strain too much of seeing his accuser in court? 22 00:00:50,671 --> 00:00:52,569 - But in the end he simply couldn't afford 23 00:00:52,604 --> 00:00:53,984 to live in a fantasy. 24 00:00:54,019 --> 00:00:55,710 - Breaking news for you tonight. 25 00:00:55,745 --> 00:00:57,264 The singer, Michael Jackson, 26 00:00:57,298 --> 00:01:00,336 is reported to have died from a heart attack. 27 00:01:00,370 --> 00:01:04,305 - Daddy has been the best father you could ever imagine. 28 00:01:05,513 --> 00:01:08,413 - Intense sexual abuse. 29 00:01:08,447 --> 00:01:10,967 Being heard is a powerful thing. 30 00:01:11,001 --> 00:01:13,694 We can't control what people believe. 31 00:01:13,728 --> 00:01:16,386 - The information is disgusting and false. 32 00:01:24,049 --> 00:01:25,292 - My name is Mike Smallcombe, 33 00:01:25,326 --> 00:01:27,121 I'm a journalist based in the UK, 34 00:01:27,156 --> 00:01:28,916 and I've written a book on the career 35 00:01:28,950 --> 00:01:30,918 and the life of Michael Jackson. 36 00:01:30,952 --> 00:01:32,506 Right after Michael Jackson passed away, 37 00:01:32,540 --> 00:01:34,335 being a journalist, I read a few of his biographies, 38 00:01:34,370 --> 00:01:36,199 and being interested in his life and career, 39 00:01:36,234 --> 00:01:39,547 and all of them were focused on his personal life. 40 00:01:39,582 --> 00:01:42,930 Here we've got probably the biggest music superstar ever, 41 00:01:42,964 --> 00:01:45,346 and there's not really any literature, any books out there 42 00:01:45,381 --> 00:01:47,072 that cover his career, 43 00:01:47,107 --> 00:01:49,971 so loving research, being a journalist, 44 00:01:50,006 --> 00:01:52,319 and Michael Jackson being a topic I was interested in, 45 00:01:52,353 --> 00:01:54,907 I thought there's a real gap in the market there. 46 00:01:54,942 --> 00:01:58,601 Why can't I be the person who writes something like that? 47 00:02:01,604 --> 00:02:02,570 - I'm Mark Lester, 48 00:02:02,605 --> 00:02:04,572 longtime friend of Michael's. 49 00:02:04,607 --> 00:02:06,885 So I've known Michael since about 1978. 50 00:02:06,919 --> 00:02:09,439 When Michael was touring with The Jacksons, 51 00:02:09,474 --> 00:02:10,854 he came over to the UK, 52 00:02:10,889 --> 00:02:13,167 and his manager phoned me up, 53 00:02:13,202 --> 00:02:14,996 and said Mike would like to meet me, 54 00:02:15,031 --> 00:02:16,929 so we met. 55 00:02:19,139 --> 00:02:21,002 When I was waiting on the other side of the door 56 00:02:21,037 --> 00:02:22,901 before I met him for the first time, 57 00:02:22,935 --> 00:02:24,592 I didn't know what to expect. 58 00:02:24,627 --> 00:02:27,837 I thought he was going to answer the door in a spacesuit, or he would be levitating, 59 00:02:27,871 --> 00:02:30,805 or something like weird. 60 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:34,568 But he wasn't, he was just a completely normal guy. 61 00:02:35,776 --> 00:02:37,571 We're both the same age, within a month. 62 00:02:39,020 --> 00:02:41,437 Michael was born in August, I was born in July of '58. 63 00:02:41,471 --> 00:02:44,440 Michael showed me all these magazines, pop magazines, 64 00:02:44,474 --> 00:02:46,200 "Tiger Beat," "Teen" magazine, 65 00:02:46,235 --> 00:02:47,822 which were big in the States. 66 00:02:47,857 --> 00:02:51,792 Whenever there was an article with Michael was in it, 67 00:02:51,826 --> 00:02:54,519 usually I would be somewhere in the magazine as well, 68 00:02:54,553 --> 00:02:57,660 so there was some kind of association with that, 69 00:02:57,694 --> 00:02:59,075 that Michael picked up on. 70 00:03:03,252 --> 00:03:05,288 - My name's Lucy Lester, 71 00:03:05,323 --> 00:03:07,083 Michael is my godfather. 72 00:03:07,117 --> 00:03:09,223 I was 12 when I first met him. 73 00:03:09,258 --> 00:03:10,845 He flew us over to Las Vegas, 74 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:13,469 and that's where we had the naming ceremony. 75 00:03:13,503 --> 00:03:16,403 I never grew up listening to his music, or anything, 76 00:03:16,437 --> 00:03:20,924 so to me it wasn't Michael, like pop star, 77 00:03:20,959 --> 00:03:23,755 it was just Michael, my dad's best friend. 78 00:03:30,140 --> 00:03:31,349 - My name's Matt Fiddes. 79 00:03:31,383 --> 00:03:34,524 I was Michael Jackson's friend and bodyguard, 80 00:03:34,559 --> 00:03:35,870 for a number of years. 81 00:03:35,905 --> 00:03:37,493 People have to understand, 82 00:03:37,527 --> 00:03:39,736 I wasn't with him 24 hours a day. 83 00:03:39,771 --> 00:03:41,945 I think when people try and say, were you close to him? 84 00:03:41,980 --> 00:03:43,671 Or, are you friends with him? 85 00:03:43,706 --> 00:03:46,467 This guy's the biggest superstar on Earth. 86 00:03:54,130 --> 00:03:56,236 - When Michael was onstage, he owned it. 87 00:03:56,270 --> 00:03:58,479 It was an incredible transformation. 88 00:03:59,825 --> 00:04:04,727 ["Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'" by Michael Jackson] 89 00:04:34,895 --> 00:04:36,345 ♪ I said you wanna be startin' somethin' ♪ 90 00:04:36,379 --> 00:04:38,001 ♪ You got to be startin' somethin' ♪ 91 00:04:38,036 --> 00:04:39,762 ♪ I said you wanna be startin' somethin' ♪ 92 00:04:39,796 --> 00:04:42,074 ♪ You got to be startin' somethin' ♪ 93 00:04:45,354 --> 00:04:47,321 - Being onstage at the age of five, 94 00:04:47,356 --> 00:04:48,460 it's all he ever knew. 95 00:04:50,255 --> 00:04:51,808 He was in the Jackson 5 of course, 96 00:04:51,843 --> 00:04:53,016 and tremendously successful. 97 00:04:53,051 --> 00:04:54,466 That had led him to be 98 00:04:54,501 --> 00:04:56,641 one of the richest people in entertainment ever, 99 00:04:56,675 --> 00:04:58,919 and be adored by millions of fans around the world. 100 00:04:58,953 --> 00:05:00,610 So that's a great, great privilege. 101 00:05:00,645 --> 00:05:03,026 Of course, we know the flip side to that, 102 00:05:03,061 --> 00:05:05,477 with Michael Jackson, and the burden of that. 103 00:05:05,512 --> 00:05:08,618 - I always liken him to being a member of the royal family. 104 00:05:08,653 --> 00:05:09,999 He was born into it. 105 00:05:10,033 --> 00:05:11,483 He didn't know any different. 106 00:05:11,518 --> 00:05:14,210 So his perception of the world 107 00:05:14,244 --> 00:05:17,075 was completely different from my reality, your reality. 108 00:05:17,109 --> 00:05:18,283 - He would say it was 109 00:05:18,318 --> 00:05:20,181 the greatest thing that happened to him, 110 00:05:20,216 --> 00:05:23,253 but also he would like to have been given a choice 111 00:05:23,288 --> 00:05:25,601 to be a superstar. 112 00:05:25,635 --> 00:05:29,087 Because he can't remember not being Michael Jackson, 113 00:05:29,121 --> 00:05:31,123 the famous guy who couldn't go anywhere. 114 00:05:33,505 --> 00:05:35,714 - There was one story in particular that he would say, 115 00:05:35,749 --> 00:05:39,235 and he was recording with Motown, 116 00:05:39,269 --> 00:05:42,065 and he was in the studio with his brothers, 117 00:05:42,100 --> 00:05:44,482 and they could hear children playing 118 00:05:44,516 --> 00:05:45,793 in a playground opposite. 119 00:05:49,245 --> 00:05:51,730 And he just wished that he could just go over there, 120 00:05:51,765 --> 00:05:54,319 and be himself, be a child. 121 00:05:54,354 --> 00:05:56,563 But he couldn't, because he was recording. 122 00:05:56,597 --> 00:05:59,531 And there was a time when brothers 123 00:05:59,566 --> 00:06:02,258 were due to go to South America to tour. 124 00:06:03,432 --> 00:06:05,468 And, in the car on the way to the airport, 125 00:06:05,503 --> 00:06:08,091 he was just crying, because he didn't want to go. 126 00:06:08,126 --> 00:06:10,059 He just wanted to stay, 127 00:06:10,093 --> 00:06:11,819 and be a child, play. 128 00:06:17,894 --> 00:06:18,999 He couldn't do that. 129 00:06:20,794 --> 00:06:23,969 And it had a massive impact on him as an adult. 130 00:06:24,004 --> 00:06:26,662 Obviously, this obsession with childhood, 131 00:06:26,696 --> 00:06:28,560 and building Neverland Ranch, 132 00:06:28,595 --> 00:06:30,666 wanting to be with children. 133 00:06:30,700 --> 00:06:32,944 Always trying to compensate for that childhood 134 00:06:32,978 --> 00:06:33,876 that he never had. 135 00:06:36,430 --> 00:06:39,364 [children playing] 136 00:06:54,241 --> 00:06:55,415 - I think the way to describe him, 137 00:06:55,449 --> 00:06:58,797 he was the biggest media 138 00:06:58,832 --> 00:07:01,593 manipulator there is in the world, 139 00:07:01,628 --> 00:07:05,390 where he could control the media, in certain ways. 140 00:07:06,874 --> 00:07:11,396 And at the same time, it would backfire on occasions. 141 00:07:11,431 --> 00:07:13,985 And no one wanted to tell him. 142 00:07:14,019 --> 00:07:16,125 Is this the wrong thing to do? 143 00:07:17,264 --> 00:07:19,266 This may look the wrong way from the public point of view. 144 00:07:19,300 --> 00:07:21,544 - He told me that he was an illusionist, 145 00:07:21,579 --> 00:07:24,823 so if he wanted to create a stir with the press, 146 00:07:24,858 --> 00:07:27,861 all he had to do was go out of the hotel in a wheelchair, 147 00:07:27,895 --> 00:07:29,069 and then all of a sudden, 148 00:07:29,103 --> 00:07:30,450 the whole of the world's press, 149 00:07:30,484 --> 00:07:32,486 was, oh Michael Jackson's in a wheelchair. 150 00:07:32,521 --> 00:07:34,488 And then he'd just get out the wheelchair 151 00:07:34,523 --> 00:07:35,524 and get in the car. 152 00:07:36,732 --> 00:07:39,597 One of his favorites was a surgical mask. 153 00:07:39,631 --> 00:07:40,839 He'd walk around with that, 154 00:07:40,874 --> 00:07:42,462 and they were like, what's going on here? 155 00:07:42,496 --> 00:07:44,498 Why is he wearing a surgical mask? 156 00:07:44,533 --> 00:07:46,431 It was for illusion. 157 00:07:46,466 --> 00:07:49,261 So he knew kind of a little bit how to play, 158 00:07:49,296 --> 00:07:50,642 and then to toy with the press. 159 00:07:50,677 --> 00:07:53,473 But in other ways he was incredibly naive. 160 00:07:55,336 --> 00:07:57,511 - We have stories about Michael Jackson's soul. 161 00:07:57,546 --> 00:07:59,996 The fact the Michael was a bit eccentric, helped that. 162 00:08:00,031 --> 00:08:02,205 So this mystery persona. 163 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:05,105 I mean wow, he sleeps in an oxygen chamber. 164 00:08:05,139 --> 00:08:08,039 He lives on a theme park. 165 00:08:08,073 --> 00:08:09,834 His skin color's changed. 166 00:08:09,868 --> 00:08:10,731 You name it. 167 00:08:11,870 --> 00:08:13,665 - [Mark] Sadly, it kind of came around 168 00:08:13,700 --> 00:08:16,496 and it bit him on the backside a bit. 169 00:08:16,530 --> 00:08:18,567 - Unfortunately, it was partly Michael's fault, 170 00:08:18,601 --> 00:08:21,362 the mysterious aspect of his life, 171 00:08:21,397 --> 00:08:22,778 and the weird stuff coming out in the 80's. 172 00:08:22,812 --> 00:08:25,781 That was slightly his fault with his PR campaign. 173 00:08:25,815 --> 00:08:28,162 But, that was quite innocent stuff, really. 174 00:08:28,197 --> 00:08:31,752 The chamber, Bubbles the monkey, 175 00:08:31,787 --> 00:08:33,098 elephant man bones. 176 00:08:34,375 --> 00:08:36,654 It just got really, really vicious, 177 00:08:36,688 --> 00:08:41,244 and negative, and totally backfired unfortunately. 178 00:08:45,697 --> 00:08:48,010 The team around Michael, 179 00:08:48,044 --> 00:08:51,185 stopped having his best interests at heart. 180 00:08:51,220 --> 00:08:53,394 In 1995, 181 00:08:53,429 --> 00:08:56,570 so from '97 until 2009, 182 00:08:56,605 --> 00:09:00,194 Michael had [muffled], I had to get my head around this, 183 00:09:00,229 --> 00:09:02,783 10 different managers, different accountants, 184 00:09:02,818 --> 00:09:03,715 different lawyers. 185 00:09:05,061 --> 00:09:06,994 It was a mess, complete and utter mess. 186 00:09:07,029 --> 00:09:08,582 Partly Michael's fault, 187 00:09:08,617 --> 00:09:10,964 but they have a duty representing him 188 00:09:10,998 --> 00:09:15,002 to have his best interests at heart, and they didn't. 189 00:09:15,037 --> 00:09:17,418 They had their own interests at heart. 190 00:09:28,291 --> 00:09:31,674 In '93, the civil lawsuit filed 191 00:09:31,709 --> 00:09:33,711 by the Jordan Chandler family, 192 00:09:33,745 --> 00:09:36,092 and the police report, that was simultaneous. 193 00:09:36,127 --> 00:09:39,682 Once Michael Jackson had settled that civil lawsuit, 194 00:09:39,717 --> 00:09:41,373 the reasons being, not because he wanted 195 00:09:41,408 --> 00:09:42,823 to hush the Chandler family. 196 00:09:42,858 --> 00:09:44,618 The reasons actually are quite incredible. 197 00:09:44,653 --> 00:09:45,861 - I can't speak for Michael, 198 00:09:45,895 --> 00:09:48,415 but I know one thing, 199 00:09:48,449 --> 00:09:51,383 Michael is not guilty, I've talked to him before, 200 00:09:52,315 --> 00:09:53,593 I think he'll be fine, 201 00:09:53,627 --> 00:09:55,940 because he had nothing to be ashamed of. 202 00:09:55,974 --> 00:09:57,286 - [Man] He's strong. 203 00:09:57,320 --> 00:09:58,218 - [Katharine] So he's very strong. 204 00:09:58,252 --> 00:09:59,357 He'll just come out of it. 205 00:10:01,670 --> 00:10:04,949 - A judge ruled that the civil lawsuit 206 00:10:04,983 --> 00:10:06,295 would be heard first. 207 00:10:06,329 --> 00:10:07,330 Because it was a minor, 208 00:10:07,365 --> 00:10:08,608 I think he thought that okay, 209 00:10:08,642 --> 00:10:11,093 we're gonna have to hear this within 120 days, 210 00:10:11,127 --> 00:10:12,128 from this day. 211 00:10:12,163 --> 00:10:13,302 Michael's lawyers are like, 212 00:10:13,336 --> 00:10:15,476 hey, we want the criminal trial first, 213 00:10:15,511 --> 00:10:17,478 because a civil lawsuit, 214 00:10:17,513 --> 00:10:19,653 that can really prejudice a criminal trial. 215 00:10:19,688 --> 00:10:20,585 Why? 216 00:10:20,620 --> 00:10:22,518 Because we have a court hearing, 217 00:10:22,552 --> 00:10:25,003 between the Chandlers and Michael's defense, 218 00:10:25,038 --> 00:10:26,729 in a civil lawsuit, 219 00:10:26,764 --> 00:10:29,042 the Chandlers and their attorneys will know 220 00:10:29,076 --> 00:10:31,354 what Michael's defense is going to be. 221 00:10:31,389 --> 00:10:32,873 That's massively prejudicial 222 00:10:32,908 --> 00:10:34,254 for any criminal trial. 223 00:10:39,569 --> 00:10:41,019 He wouldn't get a fair criminal trial, 224 00:10:41,054 --> 00:10:42,987 because he had this civil thing going on before. 225 00:10:43,021 --> 00:10:44,436 The important one was the criminal one, 226 00:10:44,471 --> 00:10:45,679 because he could end up in jail. 227 00:10:45,714 --> 00:10:47,163 The civil one is just about money. 228 00:10:47,198 --> 00:10:49,683 If you're hearing the civil one first, 229 00:10:49,718 --> 00:10:52,997 and that could help get you in jail, 230 00:10:53,031 --> 00:10:55,482 Michael's team was like, the only option we've got, 231 00:10:55,516 --> 00:10:58,002 because the judge ruled the civil one 232 00:10:58,036 --> 00:10:59,693 is going to be heard first, to get rid of it. 233 00:10:59,728 --> 00:11:01,005 How do you get rid of it? 234 00:11:01,039 --> 00:11:01,971 You have to settle. 235 00:11:02,006 --> 00:11:03,801 That made Michael look guilty. 236 00:11:03,835 --> 00:11:04,871 What is he hiding? 237 00:11:04,905 --> 00:11:06,596 Why is he paying off this family? 238 00:11:12,533 --> 00:11:14,087 - If this really went on, 239 00:11:14,121 --> 00:11:17,987 do you think the father would accept money, 240 00:11:18,022 --> 00:11:20,093 that that would make it okay, 241 00:11:20,127 --> 00:11:22,682 that that would make everything all right? 242 00:11:22,716 --> 00:11:24,476 It doesn't make any sense. 243 00:11:24,511 --> 00:11:26,893 I know that if that were my son, I'm sorry, 244 00:11:26,927 --> 00:11:30,172 I don't care if he gave me a billion dollars, 245 00:11:30,206 --> 00:11:32,415 I want to see you either behind bars or dead, 246 00:11:32,450 --> 00:11:34,072 for the rest of your life, 247 00:11:34,107 --> 00:11:35,902 for doing that to my son, 248 00:11:35,936 --> 00:11:37,351 or my daughter. 249 00:11:37,386 --> 00:11:40,734 It's crazy, the guy was after money is what he wanted. 250 00:11:40,769 --> 00:11:43,772 - I totally disagreed with him doing that. 251 00:11:43,806 --> 00:11:45,670 He should not have given him anything. 252 00:11:45,705 --> 00:11:48,984 But if there had been any criminal activity, 253 00:11:49,018 --> 00:11:52,884 you can't pay off the cops 254 00:11:52,919 --> 00:11:54,852 or the legal system. 255 00:11:54,886 --> 00:11:56,163 They will go after you. 256 00:11:57,889 --> 00:12:00,167 You can't just say, I'll pay the fine, 257 00:12:00,202 --> 00:12:01,721 because it didn't work like that. 258 00:12:01,755 --> 00:12:05,828 If they pursued it through the criminal courts, 259 00:12:05,863 --> 00:12:06,726 they didn't. 260 00:12:07,865 --> 00:12:11,592 - We have concluded that because the young boy, 261 00:12:11,627 --> 00:12:13,767 who was a catalyst, 262 00:12:13,802 --> 00:12:15,251 for this investigation, 263 00:12:15,286 --> 00:12:17,253 has recently informed us, 264 00:12:17,288 --> 00:12:19,635 that he does not wish to participate 265 00:12:19,669 --> 00:12:21,119 in any criminal proceeding, 266 00:12:21,154 --> 00:12:23,604 where he is named as a victim, 267 00:12:23,639 --> 00:12:28,230 that we must decline prosecution involving Mister Jackson. 268 00:12:28,264 --> 00:12:29,818 - People don't know the ins and outs 269 00:12:29,852 --> 00:12:33,373 of why he was forced to make that settlement. 270 00:12:33,407 --> 00:12:35,478 He didn't want to, he wanted to fight them both. 271 00:12:35,513 --> 00:12:37,653 So, that was '93, gone. 272 00:12:37,687 --> 00:12:39,655 - I think he got over that quite quickly 273 00:12:39,689 --> 00:12:42,106 and just pushed that one aside. 274 00:12:42,140 --> 00:12:47,007 The second time, with the Arvizo case, 275 00:12:47,042 --> 00:12:50,528 now that was around 2003. 276 00:12:50,562 --> 00:12:53,220 At that time I'd seen quite a lot of Michael, 277 00:12:53,255 --> 00:12:55,222 and going backwards and forwards to the States, 278 00:12:55,257 --> 00:12:56,637 spending a lot of time at Neverland, 279 00:12:56,672 --> 00:12:59,157 and I was at Neverland, 280 00:12:59,192 --> 00:13:02,057 a great deal of the time when the Arvizo family were there, 281 00:13:02,091 --> 00:13:05,267 and they were awful. 282 00:13:05,301 --> 00:13:08,132 - When we heard that police were at Neverland, 283 00:13:08,166 --> 00:13:09,996 me and Mark spoke, and we knew exactly, 284 00:13:10,030 --> 00:13:12,377 we're talking Gavin Arvizo and his family. 285 00:13:12,412 --> 00:13:13,793 And out at the fours even, 286 00:13:13,827 --> 00:13:15,898 we'd been told, or the media 287 00:13:15,933 --> 00:13:17,141 had even announced that we knew, 288 00:13:17,175 --> 00:13:19,695 because they were just called in havoc. 289 00:13:19,729 --> 00:13:22,594 - Basically, the boy was recovering from cancer, 290 00:13:22,629 --> 00:13:24,355 and Michael had said to him in the hospital 291 00:13:24,389 --> 00:13:27,220 that if he ever wanted to come to Neverland, 292 00:13:27,254 --> 00:13:28,669 be my guest, come. 293 00:13:28,704 --> 00:13:30,775 And of course, the mother had overheard this, 294 00:13:30,810 --> 00:13:33,019 and like yeah, we're going. 295 00:13:33,053 --> 00:13:34,710 Okay, so they turn up at Neverland. 296 00:13:34,744 --> 00:13:38,438 It was just initially the boy and his mom. 297 00:13:38,472 --> 00:13:40,405 They were made to feel very welcome, 298 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:43,408 and put up in one of the guest lodges. 299 00:13:43,443 --> 00:13:46,101 But they stayed for like three months. 300 00:13:46,135 --> 00:13:48,966 And then all of a sudden all these cousins appeared. 301 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:52,555 And at one time there was like 15 of these like kids, 302 00:13:52,590 --> 00:13:55,869 and they were running riot around Neverland. 303 00:13:55,904 --> 00:13:57,457 - Anyone could clearly see 304 00:13:57,491 --> 00:13:58,941 that they were taking advantage of Michael, 305 00:13:58,976 --> 00:14:01,150 because he had such a big heart, 306 00:14:01,185 --> 00:14:04,395 and he wanted people to come to Neverland. 307 00:14:04,429 --> 00:14:08,502 He wanted them to have this amazing experience, 308 00:14:09,676 --> 00:14:11,436 and I think it's quite sad that people 309 00:14:11,471 --> 00:14:13,956 must portray that as, if you're being kind, 310 00:14:13,991 --> 00:14:15,716 you must be preying on people. 311 00:14:15,751 --> 00:14:17,857 There must be something sinister behind it, 312 00:14:17,891 --> 00:14:22,413 when all he wanted to do was just make people happy. 313 00:14:22,447 --> 00:14:23,897 - They were just like hooligans, 314 00:14:23,932 --> 00:14:25,761 and then it came to a time 315 00:14:25,795 --> 00:14:27,763 when they were asked to leave. 316 00:14:27,797 --> 00:14:32,595 The next day is when I think the mother turned really nasty, 317 00:14:32,630 --> 00:14:35,875 and then made all these allegations about Michael. 318 00:14:37,738 --> 00:14:39,292 - Years ago, I allowed a family 319 00:14:39,326 --> 00:14:41,846 to visit and spend some time at Neverland. 320 00:14:41,881 --> 00:14:43,330 Neverland is my home. 321 00:14:43,365 --> 00:14:44,953 I allowed this family into my home 322 00:14:44,987 --> 00:14:47,714 because they told me their son was ill with cancer, 323 00:14:47,748 --> 00:14:49,164 and needed my help. 324 00:14:49,198 --> 00:14:51,235 Through the years I have helped thousands of children 325 00:14:51,269 --> 00:14:53,168 who were ill or in distress. 326 00:14:53,202 --> 00:14:55,998 These events have caused a nightmare for my family, 327 00:14:56,033 --> 00:14:57,655 my children, and me. 328 00:14:57,689 --> 00:14:59,312 I never intend to place myself 329 00:14:59,346 --> 00:15:01,693 in so vulnerable a position ever again. 330 00:15:01,728 --> 00:15:03,247 - The service of the warrant 331 00:15:03,281 --> 00:15:05,318 was part of an ongoing investigation, 332 00:15:05,352 --> 00:15:08,769 alleging criminal misconduct on the part of Michael Jackson. 333 00:15:10,116 --> 00:15:13,050 The basis for this investigation regarding Mister Jackson, 334 00:15:13,084 --> 00:15:16,191 involves allegations of child molestation, 335 00:15:16,225 --> 00:15:18,779 288-A of the California penal code. 336 00:15:20,195 --> 00:15:22,335 Additionally, an arrest warrant for Mister Jackson 337 00:15:22,369 --> 00:15:24,095 has been issued, 338 00:15:24,130 --> 00:15:26,373 on multiple counts of child molestation. 339 00:15:28,582 --> 00:15:30,550 The bail amount on the warrant has been set 340 00:15:30,584 --> 00:15:32,138 at three million dollars. 341 00:15:32,172 --> 00:15:34,588 At this point in time, Mister Jackson's 342 00:15:34,623 --> 00:15:37,626 been given an opportunity to surrender himself 343 00:15:37,660 --> 00:15:40,215 to the custody of the Santa Barbara Sheriff's Department, 344 00:15:40,249 --> 00:15:42,217 within a specified period of time. 345 00:15:43,563 --> 00:15:45,496 We are currently working with Mister Jackson's 346 00:15:45,530 --> 00:15:47,947 legal representation on this matter. 347 00:15:50,466 --> 00:15:52,813 - Sham of a trial, again about money, 348 00:15:52,848 --> 00:15:55,885 because Arvizo's mom 349 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:58,750 first went to a civil lawyer, 350 00:15:58,785 --> 00:16:00,890 to try and get a settlement of some sort. 351 00:16:00,925 --> 00:16:02,237 But the civil lawyer said, 352 00:16:02,271 --> 00:16:04,239 you need a conviction first. 353 00:16:04,273 --> 00:16:05,550 And that's the only reason why 354 00:16:05,585 --> 00:16:07,759 there was a criminal trial first. 355 00:16:07,794 --> 00:16:10,038 - This case is about one thing only, 356 00:16:11,349 --> 00:16:15,043 it's about the dignity, the integrity, 357 00:16:15,077 --> 00:16:18,149 the decency, the honor, 358 00:16:18,184 --> 00:16:21,221 the charity, the innocence, 359 00:16:21,256 --> 00:16:23,085 and the complete vindication 360 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:26,226 of a wonderful human being named Michael Jackson. 361 00:16:26,261 --> 00:16:29,919 - I would like to thank the fans around the world. 362 00:16:31,059 --> 00:16:32,508 - [News Reporter] Could you speak up please? 363 00:16:32,543 --> 00:16:34,579 - I would like to thank the fans around the world, 364 00:16:34,614 --> 00:16:36,271 for your loving support, 365 00:16:36,305 --> 00:16:37,479 from every corner of the Earth, 366 00:16:37,513 --> 00:16:39,274 my family who has been very supportive, 367 00:16:39,308 --> 00:16:41,931 my brother Randy, who's been incredible. 368 00:16:41,966 --> 00:16:44,520 I want to thank the community of Santa Maria. 369 00:16:44,555 --> 00:16:46,143 I want you to know that 370 00:16:46,177 --> 00:16:50,319 I love the community of Santa Maria very much, 371 00:16:50,354 --> 00:16:51,631 it's my community. 372 00:16:51,665 --> 00:16:53,391 I love the people. 373 00:16:53,426 --> 00:16:54,599 I will always love the people. 374 00:16:54,634 --> 00:16:56,187 My children were born in this community, 375 00:16:56,222 --> 00:16:57,947 my home is in this community. 376 00:16:57,982 --> 00:16:59,397 I will always love this community 377 00:16:59,432 --> 00:17:00,778 from the bottom of my heart. 378 00:17:00,812 --> 00:17:02,193 That's why I moved here. 379 00:17:02,228 --> 00:17:03,677 Thank you very much. 380 00:17:03,712 --> 00:17:05,058 - The first thing wasn't going to the police 381 00:17:05,093 --> 00:17:06,301 and saying, this is what happened. 382 00:17:06,335 --> 00:17:10,339 The first step was civil lawyer, money. 383 00:17:10,374 --> 00:17:13,618 - But the media wanted that clash, bang. 384 00:17:14,792 --> 00:17:16,207 The guy who has come from nothing, 385 00:17:16,242 --> 00:17:18,313 and then you see him in the handcuffs. 386 00:17:18,347 --> 00:17:19,866 The money would have been in 387 00:17:19,900 --> 00:17:23,076 if he was found guilty for the media. 388 00:17:24,284 --> 00:17:26,597 And the media outside was just unbelievable. 389 00:17:26,631 --> 00:17:28,219 You have never seen anything like it. 390 00:17:28,254 --> 00:17:32,016 - In America, the coverage of the trial was horrid. 391 00:17:32,051 --> 00:17:33,949 Certain things would be said in court, 392 00:17:33,983 --> 00:17:35,192 and then a completely different thing 393 00:17:35,226 --> 00:17:36,814 would be reported in the media. 394 00:17:37,677 --> 00:17:40,921 There's no wonder that non-fans, 395 00:17:40,956 --> 00:17:42,337 members of the public were 396 00:17:42,371 --> 00:17:44,994 outraged that Michael Jackson was found not guilty, 397 00:17:45,029 --> 00:17:47,204 because they'd read this coverage 398 00:17:47,238 --> 00:17:48,895 of Michael for five months, 399 00:17:48,929 --> 00:17:50,586 thinking that this was the coverage in the court, 400 00:17:50,621 --> 00:17:51,829 when it wasn't. 401 00:17:51,863 --> 00:17:53,141 - The reason publicity about these settlements 402 00:17:53,175 --> 00:17:55,315 is unfair and damaging to him, his family, 403 00:17:55,350 --> 00:17:58,042 and his dedication to the world's children. 404 00:17:58,077 --> 00:18:00,009 The charges he faces are false, 405 00:18:00,044 --> 00:18:01,425 and will be battled in a court of law 406 00:18:01,459 --> 00:18:03,461 within our justice system. 407 00:18:03,496 --> 00:18:05,843 He is innocent and will be vindicated. 408 00:18:05,877 --> 00:18:08,121 - It was a disgrace. 409 00:18:08,156 --> 00:18:10,882 The media was spreading around this narrative 410 00:18:10,917 --> 00:18:12,332 that Michael Jackson was guilty. 411 00:18:12,367 --> 00:18:14,093 How can a jury find him not guilty, 412 00:18:14,127 --> 00:18:15,853 given what's happened in that courtroom? 413 00:18:15,887 --> 00:18:17,406 But that wasn't the case. 414 00:18:17,441 --> 00:18:19,339 In fact, what was heard in the courtroom 415 00:18:19,374 --> 00:18:22,411 was highly in Michael's favor. 416 00:18:22,446 --> 00:18:24,827 After the prosecution case was put forward, 417 00:18:24,862 --> 00:18:26,001 the defense were thinking, 418 00:18:26,035 --> 00:18:27,589 are we even gonna bother here? 419 00:18:27,623 --> 00:18:29,142 Because the jury was ready 420 00:18:29,177 --> 00:18:31,972 to declare Michael Jackson not guilty, 421 00:18:32,007 --> 00:18:33,974 after the prosecution case. 422 00:18:34,009 --> 00:18:35,666 But the defense decided 423 00:18:35,700 --> 00:18:37,599 we're gonna hammer the nail in the coffin 424 00:18:37,633 --> 00:18:39,048 of all of this. 425 00:18:39,083 --> 00:18:40,636 - [Thomas] The only people that really mattered 426 00:18:40,671 --> 00:18:44,192 were 12 jurors and one judge, 13 people. 427 00:18:44,226 --> 00:18:46,504 The rest were just extraneous 428 00:18:46,539 --> 00:18:48,368 as far as we were concerned. 429 00:18:48,403 --> 00:18:49,887 You had to drown out the media. 430 00:18:49,921 --> 00:18:51,578 They were just a distraction. 431 00:18:51,613 --> 00:18:52,855 They had their own agenda, 432 00:18:52,890 --> 00:18:55,513 which was ratings and revenue, not justice, 433 00:18:55,548 --> 00:18:57,619 and you had to just focus on the evidence, 434 00:18:57,653 --> 00:18:59,172 focus on the courtroom, 435 00:18:59,207 --> 00:19:01,070 and stay away from them. 436 00:19:01,105 --> 00:19:03,866 - [Susan] I think Michael is one of those rare clients, 437 00:19:03,901 --> 00:19:07,042 where lawyers really don't have to prep a lot. 438 00:19:07,076 --> 00:19:08,768 You don't even have to coach him, 439 00:19:08,802 --> 00:19:11,460 in terms of how he should behave in the courtroom. 440 00:19:11,495 --> 00:19:14,670 He was just so well-behaved naturally, 441 00:19:14,705 --> 00:19:17,190 without even having to tell him 442 00:19:17,225 --> 00:19:19,710 to do anything other than just be himself. 443 00:19:20,952 --> 00:19:23,645 - [David] How he survived two years, 444 00:19:23,679 --> 00:19:25,819 where you're possibly going to live 445 00:19:25,854 --> 00:19:28,132 the rest of your life behind bars. 446 00:19:28,167 --> 00:19:30,548 I don't know, I would have taken a gun and shot myself. 447 00:19:30,583 --> 00:19:35,381 But he was very strong and he was someone who 448 00:19:35,415 --> 00:19:37,693 knew he had done nothing wrong. 449 00:19:37,728 --> 00:19:40,455 And he just believed in his conviction, so I hand it to him. 450 00:19:40,489 --> 00:19:42,560 But it was tough. 451 00:19:42,595 --> 00:19:45,287 - The image and persona the tabloid press saw of Michael, 452 00:19:45,322 --> 00:19:47,289 is not the man, 453 00:19:49,188 --> 00:19:51,155 not the true Michael Jackson. 454 00:19:51,190 --> 00:19:54,365 And I think because he was different, 455 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:57,230 he didn't conform to the norm, 456 00:19:57,265 --> 00:19:59,267 people didn't like that. 457 00:19:59,301 --> 00:20:01,786 There was this kind of witch hunt about 458 00:20:01,821 --> 00:20:03,340 getting this man, 459 00:20:03,374 --> 00:20:05,894 because he just didn't conform to how 460 00:20:05,928 --> 00:20:07,930 they wanted him to. 461 00:20:07,965 --> 00:20:11,313 - In the UK, there seem to be these top-down agreements 462 00:20:11,348 --> 00:20:12,659 since the late '80's, 463 00:20:12,694 --> 00:20:15,386 that Michael Jackson was to be smeared. 464 00:20:15,421 --> 00:20:17,216 Reporters would be told, 465 00:20:17,250 --> 00:20:18,665 all we're gonna report on 466 00:20:18,700 --> 00:20:20,702 is negative Michael Jackson stories, to sell papers. 467 00:20:20,736 --> 00:20:22,704 So the red tops, they all agreed on that. 468 00:20:22,738 --> 00:20:24,050 You still see that today. 469 00:20:24,084 --> 00:20:26,259 So that's the dirtier thing in the UK. 470 00:20:26,294 --> 00:20:28,399 Michael Jacko, all the newspapers. 471 00:20:28,434 --> 00:20:31,678 And now again, two accusers, 2013, 472 00:20:31,713 --> 00:20:33,818 going to a civil lawyer, and saying, 473 00:20:33,853 --> 00:20:35,820 I want to sue Michael Jackson's estate. 474 00:20:39,962 --> 00:20:41,585 - Yeah, you know, there's been different times 475 00:20:41,619 --> 00:20:43,345 where it would just be me and Michael. 476 00:20:43,380 --> 00:20:45,071 Then there'd be other times where he has 477 00:20:45,105 --> 00:20:46,969 other friends over too. 478 00:20:47,004 --> 00:20:48,902 That's what Albert Brett said. 479 00:20:48,937 --> 00:20:51,146 It's just a slumber party, 480 00:20:51,180 --> 00:20:52,492 we'd just have a lot of fun. 481 00:20:52,527 --> 00:20:53,873 We just have a lot of fun. 482 00:20:55,702 --> 00:20:58,602 - Intense sexual abuse. 483 00:21:01,018 --> 00:21:02,847 That had to be clear. 484 00:21:02,882 --> 00:21:04,401 - I can just say for decades, 485 00:21:04,435 --> 00:21:06,644 Jackson put up this smokescreen, 486 00:21:06,679 --> 00:21:09,095 which was reinforced by his family, 487 00:21:09,129 --> 00:21:11,131 and the media as well. 488 00:21:13,030 --> 00:21:14,480 - The allegations are nothing new. 489 00:21:14,514 --> 00:21:16,309 Obviously I didn't know there was gonna be a film, 490 00:21:16,344 --> 00:21:17,931 but I knew about the allegations, 491 00:21:17,966 --> 00:21:20,002 because Wade Robson and James Safechuck 492 00:21:20,037 --> 00:21:22,557 sued the Michael Jackson estate 493 00:21:22,591 --> 00:21:25,353 all the way back in 2013. 494 00:21:25,387 --> 00:21:28,217 This is something that's very much under the radar, 495 00:21:28,252 --> 00:21:30,254 rumbled on and on. 496 00:21:31,393 --> 00:21:32,946 How that all started, 497 00:21:32,981 --> 00:21:35,708 Wade Robson tried to get a job 498 00:21:35,742 --> 00:21:37,779 with the Michael Jackson estate, 499 00:21:37,813 --> 00:21:41,610 being the lead choreographer on the Cirque du Soleil show. 500 00:21:41,645 --> 00:21:46,305 - I'm starting on Cirque du Soleil, Michael Jackson show. 501 00:21:46,339 --> 00:21:48,824 So it's the equivalent of 502 00:21:48,859 --> 00:21:50,516 The Beatles Love Show that they have, 503 00:21:50,550 --> 00:21:52,345 or the Elvis show, but for Michael. 504 00:21:52,380 --> 00:21:53,381 - Didn't get the job. 505 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:56,211 Was at a crossroads in his career, 506 00:21:56,245 --> 00:21:59,248 lacking finances, not really knowing where to turn. 507 00:21:59,283 --> 00:22:00,457 He was desperate to get this job, 508 00:22:00,491 --> 00:22:02,976 been praising Michael ever since Michael died, 509 00:22:03,011 --> 00:22:06,290 went to his memorial service at the Staples Center, 510 00:22:06,325 --> 00:22:07,567 saying in interviews how Michael 511 00:22:07,602 --> 00:22:09,397 is this great friend of his. 512 00:22:09,431 --> 00:22:12,400 - Michael's such a hug part of my career, and life. 513 00:22:12,434 --> 00:22:14,712 We were friends for 20 years before he passed, 514 00:22:14,747 --> 00:22:15,920 since I was seven. 515 00:22:17,025 --> 00:22:18,613 So it's an opportunity for me 516 00:22:18,647 --> 00:22:21,270 to give back a little bit to his legacy, 517 00:22:21,305 --> 00:22:23,100 it's such a big part of his legacy, 518 00:22:23,134 --> 00:22:25,930 and to make sure as much as I can, 519 00:22:25,965 --> 00:22:27,138 that it's done right, 520 00:22:27,173 --> 00:22:30,245 and that it really represents his essence. 521 00:22:30,279 --> 00:22:31,419 - Didn't get the job. 522 00:22:31,453 --> 00:22:33,006 Didn't know what to do. 523 00:22:33,041 --> 00:22:34,594 He was having this sort of breakdown, 524 00:22:34,629 --> 00:22:38,460 and he started to write a book about Michael, 525 00:22:38,495 --> 00:22:40,393 and tried to shop that book around, 526 00:22:40,428 --> 00:22:43,223 and in it, claimed that Michael Jackson had abused him. 527 00:22:52,612 --> 00:22:54,096 No one would have it, 528 00:22:54,131 --> 00:22:56,720 so that was when Wade Robson went to a civil lawyer, 529 00:22:56,754 --> 00:22:58,549 and looked at his options, 530 00:22:58,584 --> 00:23:02,173 and eventually filed a creditor's claim 531 00:23:02,208 --> 00:23:04,417 against the Michael Jackson estate. 532 00:23:04,452 --> 00:23:08,214 It was initially at 1.5 billion dollars. 533 00:23:08,248 --> 00:23:10,009 I don't have an intrinsic knowledge 534 00:23:10,043 --> 00:23:12,287 of the ins and outs of how much it eventually was, 535 00:23:12,321 --> 00:23:14,013 but it's hundreds of millions of dollars. 536 00:23:14,047 --> 00:23:17,913 He actually filed that lawsuit, initially under seal. 537 00:23:17,948 --> 00:23:19,846 So if you file something under seal, 538 00:23:19,881 --> 00:23:21,779 it doesn't become public record. 539 00:23:21,814 --> 00:23:23,816 He was hoping that the estate would go, 540 00:23:23,850 --> 00:23:26,543 oh, here's X amount of money. 541 00:23:26,577 --> 00:23:27,475 Let's keep this quiet. 542 00:23:27,509 --> 00:23:29,442 Here's your money, go away. 543 00:23:29,477 --> 00:23:31,617 But the estate was like, no chance. 544 00:23:31,651 --> 00:23:32,583 We're gonna fight this. 545 00:23:32,618 --> 00:23:34,102 That's when it became public. 546 00:23:35,172 --> 00:23:38,071 I'll go back to James Safechuck. 547 00:23:38,106 --> 00:23:39,487 He was watching Wade Robson, 548 00:23:39,521 --> 00:23:43,525 and this is May 2013, watching Wade Robson on TV, 549 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:46,010 one of the TV shows in America, 550 00:23:46,045 --> 00:23:48,288 where Wade Robson says I was abused, 551 00:23:48,323 --> 00:23:49,807 and all this stuff happened to me, 552 00:23:49,842 --> 00:23:53,121 and James Safechuck said, in his sworn declaration, 553 00:23:53,155 --> 00:23:54,985 that was what triggered something in his mind, 554 00:23:55,019 --> 00:23:58,298 made him realize, I've been abused by Michael Jackson, too. 555 00:23:58,333 --> 00:23:59,817 There have been so many inconsistencies 556 00:23:59,852 --> 00:24:02,475 in terms of, when they knew about this alleged abuse. 557 00:24:02,510 --> 00:24:05,167 Wade Robson is saying that in 2005, 558 00:24:05,202 --> 00:24:07,307 I testified in Michael's defense 559 00:24:07,342 --> 00:24:09,137 because I saw his children. 560 00:24:09,171 --> 00:24:10,449 Michael was a friend. 561 00:24:10,483 --> 00:24:11,967 I didn't want him to go to jail. 562 00:24:12,002 --> 00:24:13,452 That's why I did it. 563 00:24:13,486 --> 00:24:15,868 And yet, then he's saying that he only realized 564 00:24:15,902 --> 00:24:18,836 that he was abused in 2012-13, 565 00:24:18,871 --> 00:24:20,424 you've got that inconsistency. 566 00:24:20,459 --> 00:24:22,737 It's the same with Safechuck. 567 00:24:22,771 --> 00:24:26,085 2005, claiming that he was asked to testify 568 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:28,984 in Michael Jackson's trial, which is not true. 569 00:24:30,296 --> 00:24:32,298 Early on in the trial, a judge ruled that 570 00:24:32,332 --> 00:24:37,199 any evidence as per James Safechuck would not be admitted, 571 00:24:37,234 --> 00:24:39,270 would not be allowed in the trial. 572 00:24:39,305 --> 00:24:41,514 Yet in the documentary we see Safechuck saying, 573 00:24:41,549 --> 00:24:44,862 that Michael called me, Michael's lawyers called me, 574 00:24:44,897 --> 00:24:46,519 but I refused to testify. 575 00:24:46,554 --> 00:24:48,832 He's saying that he knew about the abuse in 2005. 576 00:24:48,866 --> 00:24:50,316 Michael was a bad man. 577 00:24:50,350 --> 00:24:51,697 I'm not gonna testify. 578 00:24:51,731 --> 00:24:53,699 Then he says that the Wade Robson TV show 579 00:24:53,733 --> 00:24:57,288 is what triggered him into realizing that he was abused. 580 00:24:57,323 --> 00:24:58,497 So you've got them saying, 581 00:24:58,531 --> 00:25:02,259 okay we suddenly realized in 2012-13, 582 00:25:02,293 --> 00:25:04,606 that hey we knew, in 2005, 583 00:25:04,641 --> 00:25:07,540 because Wade Robson, I was protecting Michael. 584 00:25:07,575 --> 00:25:10,336 Safechuck, I wasn't gonna testify because he's a bad man. 585 00:25:10,370 --> 00:25:15,065 That's when James Safechuck filed a copycat lawsuit. 586 00:25:15,099 --> 00:25:18,827 So from 2013, till 2017, 587 00:25:18,862 --> 00:25:22,279 you've got this ongoing litigation with the estate. 588 00:25:22,313 --> 00:25:25,420 Eventually a judge threw out the lawsuit, 589 00:25:25,454 --> 00:25:28,941 because of a thing called statute of limitations. 590 00:25:28,975 --> 00:25:30,874 They just basically filed it too late. 591 00:25:33,566 --> 00:25:37,984 A year later, you've got the documentary film being made. 592 00:25:38,019 --> 00:25:43,024 - I watched it, and I was saddened by the show. 593 00:25:44,853 --> 00:25:49,858 Victims of child abuse is a very, very serious matter, 594 00:25:51,066 --> 00:25:54,587 but it didn't really push anything about 595 00:25:54,622 --> 00:25:56,347 the child abuse thing. 596 00:25:57,521 --> 00:25:58,867 I don't know, 597 00:25:58,902 --> 00:26:03,423 I watched it and all it was was like, 598 00:26:03,458 --> 00:26:04,977 watching a court case where you heard 599 00:26:05,011 --> 00:26:06,875 the prosecution and no defense. 600 00:26:08,221 --> 00:26:11,155 It was so totally unbalanced, 601 00:26:11,190 --> 00:26:14,158 and I don't know, 602 00:26:14,193 --> 00:26:16,367 I just, it made me feel sick. 603 00:26:16,402 --> 00:26:18,922 - That was, for them, the obvious route. 604 00:26:18,956 --> 00:26:20,371 Let's make this thing public, 605 00:26:20,406 --> 00:26:22,166 let's make this a worldwide issue. 606 00:26:22,201 --> 00:26:25,791 Can this help our appeal? 607 00:26:25,825 --> 00:26:27,931 Which isn't mentioned in the documentary, 608 00:26:27,965 --> 00:26:30,658 against the decision by a judge to throw out the case. 609 00:26:34,662 --> 00:26:36,629 - It's like I don't feel like they want justice. 610 00:26:36,664 --> 00:26:39,908 If that was me, that would be above anything. 611 00:26:39,943 --> 00:26:41,392 That is why I would want, 612 00:26:41,427 --> 00:26:44,775 but we don't want to be going in front of a camera, 613 00:26:44,810 --> 00:26:49,159 talking about my experience to people that don't know me. 614 00:26:49,193 --> 00:26:51,506 The first I would do is, go to the police. 615 00:26:51,540 --> 00:26:53,991 I wouldn't be thinking like how, 616 00:26:54,854 --> 00:26:56,235 let's turn this into a book. 617 00:26:56,269 --> 00:26:58,202 Let's go and sue the family. 618 00:26:58,237 --> 00:27:00,342 Because, who does that? 619 00:27:00,377 --> 00:27:02,793 - I couldn't speak the truth any earlier than I did. 620 00:27:02,828 --> 00:27:04,036 I wish I could have. 621 00:27:04,070 --> 00:27:05,969 I wish I was emotionally 622 00:27:06,003 --> 00:27:09,938 and mentally capable earlier, than I was. 623 00:27:09,973 --> 00:27:11,940 - I think being heard is 624 00:27:11,975 --> 00:27:16,980 probably one of the number one wants of a victim. 625 00:27:17,601 --> 00:27:20,466 But also, 626 00:27:20,500 --> 00:27:21,985 when all this goes away, 627 00:27:22,019 --> 00:27:24,366 and the interest goes away, 628 00:27:24,401 --> 00:27:26,748 we're still left with being abused. 629 00:27:26,783 --> 00:27:29,026 - So much silence, and so much isolation, 630 00:27:29,061 --> 00:27:32,236 which I experienced, James experienced, 631 00:27:32,271 --> 00:27:34,273 and most survivors experience. 632 00:27:35,481 --> 00:27:38,311 So being heard is a powerful thing. 633 00:27:38,346 --> 00:27:40,486 We can't control what people believe. 634 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:42,315 That's up to people's own journey. 635 00:27:42,350 --> 00:27:45,077 - All of Michael's accusers, it's always been about money. 636 00:27:45,111 --> 00:27:47,873 - It's never because there's evidence 637 00:27:47,907 --> 00:27:49,737 that he's done this or done that. 638 00:27:49,771 --> 00:27:52,498 It's always money, always going for the money first. 639 00:27:52,532 --> 00:27:54,431 Or they wait until he dies, and goes for the money, 640 00:27:54,465 --> 00:27:56,778 because they know a criminal trial won't work, 641 00:27:56,813 --> 00:27:58,331 so it's always financial. 642 00:28:03,095 --> 00:28:04,821 - Let's start at the beginning. 643 00:28:04,855 --> 00:28:06,615 So when there's money involved, 644 00:28:06,650 --> 00:28:09,204 that automatically should make people wary. 645 00:28:09,239 --> 00:28:10,654 What are their intentions here? 646 00:28:10,689 --> 00:28:14,451 And then you've got previous behavior in court. 647 00:28:14,485 --> 00:28:17,903 Wade Robson and Jimmy Safechuck are perjurers, 648 00:28:17,937 --> 00:28:20,388 because they testified under oath. 649 00:28:20,422 --> 00:28:24,495 So Safechuck back in '93, and Robson. 650 00:28:24,530 --> 00:28:27,844 Michael Jackson never did anything, sworn declaration, 651 00:28:27,878 --> 00:28:30,570 signed, under penalty of perjury. 652 00:28:30,605 --> 00:28:34,643 2005, Wade Robson testified in court, 653 00:28:34,678 --> 00:28:36,956 under oath, under penalty of perjury, 654 00:28:36,991 --> 00:28:38,682 nothing ever happened. 655 00:28:38,717 --> 00:28:42,513 - What I find odd is the fact that 656 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:45,654 Mesereau, Michael's lawyer, 657 00:28:45,689 --> 00:28:48,278 who is an extremely high-powered lawyer, 658 00:28:48,312 --> 00:28:51,177 who would have obviously interviewed this kid, 659 00:28:51,212 --> 00:28:53,939 in depth, and you're talking about one of the top 660 00:28:53,973 --> 00:28:55,699 lawyers in America, 661 00:28:55,734 --> 00:28:58,184 and if he was convinced that 662 00:28:58,219 --> 00:29:00,083 he was safe to put on the stand, 663 00:29:01,498 --> 00:29:02,361 I don't know, 664 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:05,674 it baffles me. 665 00:29:05,709 --> 00:29:08,091 - So already you've got credibility issues there. 666 00:29:08,125 --> 00:29:09,609 You've got the financial aspect, 667 00:29:09,644 --> 00:29:10,990 and you've got the credibility, 668 00:29:11,025 --> 00:29:12,612 due to previous statements. 669 00:29:12,647 --> 00:29:14,304 If there was a court case, 670 00:29:14,338 --> 00:29:15,892 if Michael Jackson was alive, 671 00:29:15,926 --> 00:29:18,066 Michael's defense would try and impeach 672 00:29:18,101 --> 00:29:21,311 those witnesses by bringing into evidence 673 00:29:21,345 --> 00:29:22,933 previous inconsistent statements, 674 00:29:22,968 --> 00:29:25,971 and that would include Michael Jackson never did anything, 675 00:29:26,005 --> 00:29:28,387 under oath, under penalty of perjury. 676 00:29:30,251 --> 00:29:32,736 That alone is enough 677 00:29:32,771 --> 00:29:36,188 to make all the allegations highly not credible. 678 00:29:38,466 --> 00:29:40,675 The first time that Wade Robson alleges 679 00:29:40,709 --> 00:29:45,231 that he was abused by Michael Jackson, was in January 1990. 680 00:29:47,095 --> 00:29:50,305 The Robson family went to Record One Studios, 681 00:29:50,340 --> 00:29:51,548 while Michael was working 682 00:29:51,582 --> 00:29:53,826 on the album that became, "Dangerous." 683 00:29:53,861 --> 00:29:54,931 Michael said, why don't you come up 684 00:29:54,965 --> 00:29:57,071 to Neverland for the weekend? 685 00:29:57,105 --> 00:29:58,797 To the whole family, the whole Robson family. 686 00:29:58,831 --> 00:30:01,144 So that was Wade, Chantal, his sister, 687 00:30:01,178 --> 00:30:04,630 her mother, Joy, and her parents, so Wade's grandparents. 688 00:30:04,664 --> 00:30:06,977 All whisked up to Neverland for the weekend. 689 00:30:07,012 --> 00:30:09,842 They stayed for two nights, the whole family. 690 00:30:09,877 --> 00:30:13,432 And both Wade, and Joy Robson, 691 00:30:13,466 --> 00:30:16,159 said under oath, that those first two nights, 692 00:30:16,193 --> 00:30:19,610 Wade and Chantal slept with Michael, in Michael's bedroom. 693 00:30:19,645 --> 00:30:20,922 Nothing happened. 694 00:30:20,957 --> 00:30:23,649 Wade said in the documentary, nothing happened. 695 00:30:23,683 --> 00:30:25,858 - And I've slept in the same bed as Michael. 696 00:30:25,893 --> 00:30:28,136 He says, you watch cartoons, you fall asleep. 697 00:30:28,171 --> 00:30:29,758 You know, it's just a friendship, 698 00:30:29,793 --> 00:30:32,382 and I know he would never do anything to hurt my brother. 699 00:30:32,416 --> 00:30:34,625 He's the nicest guy you've ever met. 700 00:30:34,660 --> 00:30:37,490 - I've been there when these kids 701 00:30:37,525 --> 00:30:38,629 have been in Michael's room. 702 00:30:38,664 --> 00:30:39,941 I've been there with them. 703 00:30:39,976 --> 00:30:41,563 It's just party time. 704 00:30:41,598 --> 00:30:42,702 They watch videos, 705 00:30:42,737 --> 00:30:44,359 they eat junk food, 706 00:30:44,394 --> 00:30:47,190 they play video games. 707 00:30:47,224 --> 00:30:49,709 They play so hard, 708 00:30:49,744 --> 00:30:52,954 they fall asleep, they're exhausted, they fall asleep. 709 00:30:52,989 --> 00:30:54,197 There's nothing more to it than that. 710 00:30:54,231 --> 00:30:55,474 - [Interviewer] From your standpoint 711 00:30:55,508 --> 00:30:58,028 does it seem unusual for a 34-year-old man 712 00:30:58,063 --> 00:31:00,479 to have kids sleeping over? 713 00:31:00,513 --> 00:31:02,377 - Not when you know Michael's background. 714 00:31:02,412 --> 00:31:05,139 Under normal circumstances, possibly yes. 715 00:31:05,173 --> 00:31:08,763 But Michael, everybody knows he didn't have a childhood. 716 00:31:12,422 --> 00:31:13,975 - Then, the rest of Robson's family 717 00:31:14,010 --> 00:31:15,839 went away to the Grand Canyon. 718 00:31:15,874 --> 00:31:18,186 Wade says that after the first couple of nights, 719 00:31:18,221 --> 00:31:21,534 he saw Michael hunched in a corner, crying, 720 00:31:21,569 --> 00:31:23,812 that he didn't want to Robson family to leave him. 721 00:31:23,847 --> 00:31:27,540 But the Robson family was touring America at the time. 722 00:31:28,438 --> 00:31:30,336 So the story goes that 723 00:31:31,441 --> 00:31:32,891 Wade stayed at Neverland, 724 00:31:32,925 --> 00:31:36,204 and the rest of the family went away to the Grand Canyon, 725 00:31:36,239 --> 00:31:39,242 leaving little seven-year-old Wade Robson 726 00:31:39,276 --> 00:31:40,899 alone at Neverland. 727 00:31:40,933 --> 00:31:43,142 He says that slowly, as those days went on, 728 00:31:43,177 --> 00:31:46,421 he was abused by Michael Jackson, for the first time, 729 00:31:46,456 --> 00:31:48,941 and goes into real livid detail about that. 730 00:31:48,976 --> 00:31:50,839 His whole story that it happened that first time, 731 00:31:50,874 --> 00:31:52,082 that first weekend. 732 00:31:52,117 --> 00:31:55,051 So I had a source who could provide me 733 00:31:55,085 --> 00:31:57,363 with some court transcripts. 734 00:31:57,398 --> 00:32:00,642 Joy Robson, in a deposition from '93, 735 00:32:00,677 --> 00:32:03,369 and I discovered that during that deposition, 736 00:32:03,404 --> 00:32:04,612 Joy Robson said that, 737 00:32:05,958 --> 00:32:08,202 yeah we went to Neverland for the weekend, the whole family, 738 00:32:08,236 --> 00:32:09,755 and stayed a couple of nights, 739 00:32:09,789 --> 00:32:13,483 and then the whole family then went off to the Grand Canyon. 740 00:32:13,517 --> 00:32:15,140 So they didn't leave Wade behind. 741 00:32:16,624 --> 00:32:20,904 She then said that again, in 2016, in a deposition, 742 00:32:20,939 --> 00:32:23,631 for the civil lawsuit, which is very odd, 743 00:32:23,665 --> 00:32:25,736 because Wade's whole story is, 744 00:32:25,771 --> 00:32:28,325 I was left behind while my family 745 00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:29,878 went off to the Grand Canyon. 746 00:32:29,913 --> 00:32:32,536 But Joy Robson says that the whole family went, 747 00:32:32,571 --> 00:32:34,918 naming Wade as having gone with them. 748 00:32:36,782 --> 00:32:39,992 And Joy has also previously testified under oath, 749 00:32:40,027 --> 00:32:42,581 that the first time Wade was alone with Michael 750 00:32:42,615 --> 00:32:44,686 at Neverland was '93. 751 00:32:44,721 --> 00:32:47,827 And then in a different, totally different case, 752 00:32:47,862 --> 00:32:51,003 Wade Robson, in 2005 also says, 753 00:32:51,038 --> 00:32:53,764 the last time I was alone with Michael was in 1993. 754 00:32:53,799 --> 00:32:55,801 So you've got these statements made 755 00:32:55,835 --> 00:32:58,700 by both Joy and Wade, under oath, 756 00:32:58,735 --> 00:33:00,219 on three or four occasions, 757 00:33:00,254 --> 00:33:03,257 where that story is, we stayed two nights, 758 00:33:03,291 --> 00:33:05,811 we went off to the Grand Canyon, all of us. 759 00:33:05,845 --> 00:33:10,643 Wade Robson has never been at Neverland alone until 1993. 760 00:33:14,751 --> 00:33:16,235 - He's not just getting dates mixed up, 761 00:33:16,270 --> 00:33:18,997 because Joy Robson was an adult, in the early 90's, 762 00:33:19,031 --> 00:33:22,621 and she gave this deposition two years 763 00:33:22,655 --> 00:33:24,347 after the first Neverland trip. 764 00:33:24,381 --> 00:33:25,969 She would have remembered then, 765 00:33:27,074 --> 00:33:28,799 that first weekend at Neverland, 766 00:33:28,834 --> 00:33:30,560 Wade came with us to the Grand Canyon. 767 00:33:30,594 --> 00:33:32,769 It's not 15 years later, did he, didn't he? 768 00:33:32,803 --> 00:33:35,806 No, they said Wade came with us to the Grand Canyon. 769 00:33:35,841 --> 00:33:37,912 Why would you then lie about that? 770 00:33:44,919 --> 00:33:46,714 In the "Leaving Neverland" documentary, 771 00:33:46,748 --> 00:33:49,613 James Safechuck gives this detailed story about how 772 00:33:49,648 --> 00:33:51,063 he was abused in different places 773 00:33:51,098 --> 00:33:53,307 around Neverland by Michael Jackson, 774 00:33:53,341 --> 00:33:55,585 including the grand train station, 775 00:33:55,619 --> 00:33:58,622 which people will know because of the floral clock 776 00:33:58,657 --> 00:34:01,349 in front, it's quite an iconic piece. 777 00:34:01,384 --> 00:34:03,248 So he goes into this detail about how he was abused 778 00:34:03,282 --> 00:34:06,803 in a room upstairs, and pictures appear on the screen, 779 00:34:06,837 --> 00:34:08,563 so it's definitely that train station, 780 00:34:08,598 --> 00:34:10,565 and he says it happened every day, 781 00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:11,877 and he says of the how, 782 00:34:13,051 --> 00:34:15,536 it's something that happens when you first 783 00:34:15,570 --> 00:34:17,572 get into a relationship and things are exciting. 784 00:34:17,607 --> 00:34:21,162 That to me would indicate that he's talking about the stars, 785 00:34:21,197 --> 00:34:23,820 when he was abused by Michael Jackson allegedly. 786 00:34:23,854 --> 00:34:27,099 So his time period where he alleges he was abused, 787 00:34:27,134 --> 00:34:30,723 began, signed two sworn declarations, 788 00:34:30,758 --> 00:34:33,001 under penalty of perjury that 789 00:34:33,036 --> 00:34:37,005 he was abused between 1988 and 1992, 790 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:38,248 until he was 14. 791 00:34:38,283 --> 00:34:39,870 The narrative of the whole thing is that, 792 00:34:39,905 --> 00:34:43,460 "I got too big, I got too old, Michael moved on." 793 00:34:43,495 --> 00:34:45,152 He started phasing me out, 794 00:34:45,186 --> 00:34:46,912 and replaced me essentially. 795 00:34:46,946 --> 00:34:48,914 So if we've got that time line of, 796 00:34:48,948 --> 00:34:51,261 I was abused between 1988 and '92, 797 00:34:51,296 --> 00:34:53,643 the train station abuse must have happened 798 00:34:53,677 --> 00:34:55,714 during that time period. 799 00:34:55,748 --> 00:34:57,267 And then a fan pointed out that the train station 800 00:34:57,302 --> 00:34:58,751 didn't open until 1994, 801 00:35:01,133 --> 00:35:03,170 by which time Safechuck was 16. 802 00:35:05,033 --> 00:35:06,414 They got a couple of pictures, 803 00:35:06,449 --> 00:35:08,934 a couple of Associated Press Getty Images pictures 804 00:35:08,968 --> 00:35:11,971 of footage of Neverland from 1991, 805 00:35:12,006 --> 00:35:13,318 Elizabeth Taylor's wedding, 806 00:35:13,352 --> 00:35:16,252 footage above Neverland, from a helicopter, 807 00:35:16,286 --> 00:35:17,322 no train station. 808 00:35:19,289 --> 00:35:20,946 So the fans had established that, 809 00:35:20,980 --> 00:35:22,637 that prompted me to use my source 810 00:35:22,672 --> 00:35:24,087 to try and narrow this down. 811 00:35:26,124 --> 00:35:30,887 Let's prove that this train station didn't exist until '94. 812 00:35:33,407 --> 00:35:35,512 So I managed to get hold of the construction permits, 813 00:35:35,547 --> 00:35:38,688 which showed that the train station 814 00:35:38,722 --> 00:35:43,106 was not approved for construction until September, 1993. 815 00:35:43,141 --> 00:35:46,523 There was an image taken by a press photographer 816 00:35:46,558 --> 00:35:50,320 on the 25th of August, '93, from a helicopter. 817 00:35:50,355 --> 00:35:51,597 His name is Steven Starr, 818 00:35:51,632 --> 00:35:54,600 so he was working in an office in LA. 819 00:35:54,635 --> 00:35:57,155 The reason he was flying over Neverland on that day, 820 00:35:57,189 --> 00:35:59,329 was because of the allegations, 821 00:35:59,364 --> 00:36:01,193 which itself was two days earlier. 822 00:36:01,228 --> 00:36:03,471 So Steve, get yourself in a helicopter, 823 00:36:03,506 --> 00:36:05,818 take some pictures of Neverland from above. 824 00:36:05,853 --> 00:36:08,062 Those pictures show no train station. 825 00:36:09,201 --> 00:36:11,755 And I contacted Steve Starr personally, 826 00:36:11,790 --> 00:36:15,207 and he confirmed that 25th of August, '93, 827 00:36:15,242 --> 00:36:17,934 is the correct day for when he took that picture, 828 00:36:17,968 --> 00:36:19,315 no train station, 829 00:36:19,349 --> 00:36:22,525 and then you've got the permits approved a month later. 830 00:36:24,251 --> 00:36:25,459 So you've got real solid evidence 831 00:36:25,493 --> 00:36:27,461 that there was no train station until, 832 00:36:27,495 --> 00:36:31,637 the building didn't begin until late '93, 833 00:36:31,672 --> 00:36:32,707 opened in 1994. 834 00:36:33,950 --> 00:36:36,573 Michael Jackson in '94, was living in New York, 835 00:36:36,608 --> 00:36:39,197 to record the "History" album, a couple of reasons, 836 00:36:39,231 --> 00:36:42,372 to get out of California because of the DA going after him. 837 00:36:42,407 --> 00:36:44,926 There was an earthquake in LA in early '94, 838 00:36:44,961 --> 00:36:46,342 and he was a bit scared about that, 839 00:36:46,376 --> 00:36:48,516 so he wanted to move the entire operation to New York. 840 00:36:48,551 --> 00:36:50,691 Michael Jackson wasn't in LA in '94, 841 00:36:50,725 --> 00:36:51,899 but the point being, 842 00:36:51,933 --> 00:36:54,384 you've got a two-year discrepancy there. 843 00:36:54,419 --> 00:36:57,111 Safechuck saying, the abuse stopped, I was 14. 844 00:36:57,145 --> 00:37:00,701 It was 1992, going into vivid detail 845 00:37:00,735 --> 00:37:03,082 about abuse happening in the train station, 846 00:37:03,117 --> 00:37:04,118 in an upstairs room. 847 00:37:05,015 --> 00:37:06,465 That's a massive discrepancy. 848 00:37:11,677 --> 00:37:12,885 Those are the two main ones, 849 00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:14,266 Wade Robson and the Grand Canyon, 850 00:37:14,301 --> 00:37:16,544 and Jimmy Safechuck in the train station. 851 00:37:16,579 --> 00:37:18,236 Then we go back to Wade Robson's behavior 852 00:37:18,270 --> 00:37:19,754 in the civil lawsuit. 853 00:37:19,789 --> 00:37:22,481 Wade Robson files his lawsuits 854 00:37:22,516 --> 00:37:25,173 in I believe it was March, 2013. 855 00:37:26,865 --> 00:37:31,801 He's saying that he realized he was abused in May, 2012. 856 00:37:33,216 --> 00:37:36,012 Under US law you've got 60 days 857 00:37:36,046 --> 00:37:38,704 from the period of knowing that you've been abused, 858 00:37:38,739 --> 00:37:40,672 or realizing you've been abused, 859 00:37:40,706 --> 00:37:43,261 to file a creditor's claim, 860 00:37:43,295 --> 00:37:45,573 but Wade Robson filed that 10 months too late. 861 00:37:46,678 --> 00:37:48,127 To get around that, 862 00:37:48,162 --> 00:37:50,337 he claimed, I didn't know that the Michael Jackson estate 863 00:37:50,371 --> 00:37:52,442 was open for administration. 864 00:37:52,477 --> 00:37:56,791 So I didn't know who to sue. 865 00:37:56,826 --> 00:37:59,138 But then, evidence came out in that case, 866 00:37:59,173 --> 00:38:02,659 that Wade Robson was aware of the Michael Jackson estate, 867 00:38:02,694 --> 00:38:07,181 because in 2011, he'd met with John Branca, 868 00:38:07,215 --> 00:38:08,700 the co-executor of the estate, 869 00:38:08,734 --> 00:38:09,770 but this had [mumbles], 870 00:38:10,978 --> 00:38:13,808 so the judge ruled that Wade Robson 871 00:38:13,843 --> 00:38:16,328 had lied in his sworn declaration. 872 00:38:16,363 --> 00:38:18,261 Lying under oath, under penalty of perjury, 873 00:38:18,296 --> 00:38:19,745 just to be able to sue. 874 00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:24,716 [light instrumental music] 875 00:38:28,375 --> 00:38:32,102 - Neverland was built as, A, a safety boho, 876 00:38:32,137 --> 00:38:35,002 where no one could get in. 877 00:38:35,036 --> 00:38:36,452 It was a big property, 878 00:38:36,486 --> 00:38:40,766 it was the size of Hyde Park, the whole area of it. 879 00:38:40,801 --> 00:38:44,080 Then he had his movie theater built, 880 00:38:44,114 --> 00:38:47,877 which was like a 100-seater movie theater, 881 00:38:47,911 --> 00:38:52,916 beautifully done, like a small cinema with a big screen. 882 00:38:54,090 --> 00:38:56,299 Then he had his fairgrounds built, 883 00:38:56,334 --> 00:38:57,680 for his own entertainment, 884 00:38:57,714 --> 00:38:59,475 then he had his zoo, 885 00:38:59,509 --> 00:39:02,719 so that he had kind of everything. 886 00:39:02,754 --> 00:39:05,343 - But Neverland was not really a home for him. 887 00:39:05,377 --> 00:39:08,207 That was somewhere he would return to go back, 888 00:39:08,242 --> 00:39:10,417 and to show himself, 889 00:39:10,451 --> 00:39:14,248 and it was built really for sick children. 890 00:39:14,282 --> 00:39:15,939 He would have Make A Wish Foundation, 891 00:39:15,974 --> 00:39:18,286 coachloads of kids, thousands and thousands 892 00:39:18,321 --> 00:39:19,840 would go through there every year. 893 00:39:19,874 --> 00:39:22,843 And then he would make sure, he would try and show his face, 894 00:39:22,877 --> 00:39:24,603 and come out to the kids, and so on. 895 00:39:24,638 --> 00:39:26,709 He would fly in from wherever he is. 896 00:39:26,743 --> 00:39:27,641 Because being in Neverland, 897 00:39:27,675 --> 00:39:29,125 it's in the middle of nowhere. 898 00:39:29,159 --> 00:39:31,403 He used to hate the drive from Neverland to Los Angeles. 899 00:39:31,438 --> 00:39:33,060 He had a permanent suite, 900 00:39:33,094 --> 00:39:36,408 and an apartment at one stage, in Los Angeles. 901 00:39:36,443 --> 00:39:38,410 He had a permanent place at the Beverly Wilshire Hotel, 902 00:39:38,445 --> 00:39:40,447 called the Michael Jackson Suite, too in the end, 903 00:39:40,481 --> 00:39:42,380 because he used to rent it out full-time. 904 00:39:42,414 --> 00:39:45,072 He needed to be in the city, and do business, 905 00:39:45,106 --> 00:39:46,591 not up in the valley. 906 00:39:46,625 --> 00:39:47,730 He was rarely there. 907 00:39:51,768 --> 00:39:54,461 A lot of people make this big deal about an alarm, 908 00:39:54,495 --> 00:39:56,670 that when you walk up to Michael Jackson's bedroom, 909 00:39:56,704 --> 00:39:59,466 you go down the corridor, and an alarm goes off. 910 00:39:59,500 --> 00:40:01,399 That's completely true. 911 00:40:01,433 --> 00:40:04,402 Now, not only is that in Michael Jackson's house, 912 00:40:04,436 --> 00:40:06,645 since Michael died I've gone on to work 913 00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:08,509 for a lot of big superstars, 914 00:40:08,544 --> 00:40:09,752 they have alarms too. 915 00:40:09,786 --> 00:40:10,684 It's just the same thing. 916 00:40:10,718 --> 00:40:12,893 It's just a sensor, walks along, 917 00:40:12,927 --> 00:40:14,584 just in case there's an intruder in the night, 918 00:40:14,619 --> 00:40:16,931 they can get to their escape route. 919 00:40:16,966 --> 00:40:18,864 Michael made sure that was already in place, 920 00:40:18,899 --> 00:40:20,107 a security team. 921 00:40:20,141 --> 00:40:23,490 So whenever you walk, alarm bells would go off 922 00:40:23,524 --> 00:40:24,491 in Michael's room, 923 00:40:24,525 --> 00:40:26,424 to say someone is approaching. 924 00:40:26,458 --> 00:40:28,253 And that was for him to wake up, 925 00:40:28,287 --> 00:40:30,669 everything's okay, it's the middle of the night, and so on. 926 00:40:30,704 --> 00:40:33,327 They also go on about this abuse room, 927 00:40:33,361 --> 00:40:34,949 the sexual secret room. 928 00:40:34,984 --> 00:40:37,469 Now that angers me a lot, 929 00:40:37,504 --> 00:40:39,782 because for a start, let's talk about Michael's bedroom, 930 00:40:39,816 --> 00:40:41,887 it's two stories, it's massive, 931 00:40:41,922 --> 00:40:45,891 it's the normal size of a house, basically, 932 00:40:45,926 --> 00:40:48,929 and he does have a secret room, if you want to call it that. 933 00:40:48,963 --> 00:40:52,726 Now that room was built before he bought Neverland. 934 00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:55,176 He recorded a video called, "Say, Say, Say," 935 00:40:55,211 --> 00:40:56,937 with Paul McCartney there, 936 00:40:56,971 --> 00:40:58,973 it was called Sycamore Valley then, 937 00:40:59,008 --> 00:41:01,666 and he liked the property so much, he liked the ranch, 938 00:41:01,700 --> 00:41:03,184 he wanted to buy it. 939 00:41:03,219 --> 00:41:06,015 And it's quite standard for houses of that magnitude, 940 00:41:06,049 --> 00:41:07,810 to have panic rooms, 941 00:41:07,844 --> 00:41:09,777 and it had a panic room already built in there. 942 00:41:09,812 --> 00:41:11,710 And that's what we're talking about here, 943 00:41:11,745 --> 00:41:13,263 we're not talking about 944 00:41:13,298 --> 00:41:16,094 an abuse room, a sex abuse room, anything like that. 945 00:41:16,128 --> 00:41:19,028 That was where Michael went when the alarms went off, 946 00:41:19,062 --> 00:41:20,236 or when head of security, 947 00:41:20,270 --> 00:41:22,065 or someone at Neverland alerting us 948 00:41:22,100 --> 00:41:23,273 that something had gone awry, 949 00:41:23,308 --> 00:41:25,897 he would run to, and shut himself in, 950 00:41:25,931 --> 00:41:28,624 and he would have stuff in there that would entertain him, 951 00:41:28,658 --> 00:41:30,142 because he would be in there for some hours 952 00:41:30,177 --> 00:41:32,697 waiting for the police to turn up, and so on. 953 00:41:32,731 --> 00:41:34,492 Because Neverland is in the middle of nowhere. 954 00:41:34,526 --> 00:41:37,598 So he would have, watched Disney films, 955 00:41:37,633 --> 00:41:39,324 and what may not be normal to normal people, 956 00:41:39,358 --> 00:41:41,706 but he ain't normal, he's Michael Jackson. 957 00:41:41,740 --> 00:41:43,190 He'd been raised differently. 958 00:41:46,573 --> 00:41:50,991 Michael was guarded as much as the President literally. 959 00:41:51,025 --> 00:41:53,303 He's the most famous man on Earth. 960 00:41:53,338 --> 00:41:55,271 So from a bodyguard's point of view, 961 00:41:55,305 --> 00:41:57,825 it's very hard to understand 962 00:41:57,860 --> 00:42:01,553 how these allegations could be true. 963 00:42:01,588 --> 00:42:06,316 Because he was the most protected man on Earth. 964 00:42:06,351 --> 00:42:08,664 He had security like the President. 965 00:42:08,698 --> 00:42:10,873 So if we talk about along the road, 966 00:42:10,907 --> 00:42:13,496 you would have, you would get there the day before. 967 00:42:13,531 --> 00:42:15,084 You'd go directly to the hotel. 968 00:42:15,118 --> 00:42:17,258 You'd go through the fire exits, and so on. 969 00:42:17,293 --> 00:42:21,262 You'd put security sensor mats outside his door, 970 00:42:21,297 --> 00:42:23,610 or any entrance to wherever his suite is. 971 00:42:23,644 --> 00:42:26,785 You'd put a camera up top of his bedroom door, 972 00:42:26,820 --> 00:42:29,201 a camera outside the hallway door. 973 00:42:29,236 --> 00:42:31,410 A camera at the front, a camera at the hallway. 974 00:42:31,445 --> 00:42:32,998 There'd be nobody coming on either side. 975 00:42:33,033 --> 00:42:34,724 There'll be nighttime security, 976 00:42:34,759 --> 00:42:36,830 which is actually my brother-in-law, believe it or not, 977 00:42:36,864 --> 00:42:39,211 who would stand outside his door all night, too. 978 00:42:39,246 --> 00:42:41,248 So it was unbelievable. 979 00:42:46,322 --> 00:42:47,426 Child abuse is a serious thing, 980 00:42:47,461 --> 00:42:49,428 it's a huge, serious matter. 981 00:42:49,463 --> 00:42:52,535 I'm not here to discredit that in any way at all. 982 00:42:52,570 --> 00:42:55,089 I'm here to just prove, from my side, 983 00:42:55,124 --> 00:42:56,677 from a bodyguard's point of view, 984 00:42:56,712 --> 00:42:58,921 and a friend who'd been around Michael, 985 00:42:58,955 --> 00:43:01,371 how difficult it would have been 986 00:43:01,406 --> 00:43:05,548 for Wade and James to go unnoticed at any time, 987 00:43:05,583 --> 00:43:08,689 and for them to have what they said done to them, 988 00:43:08,724 --> 00:43:12,141 by Michael, when there's so many staff around. 989 00:43:12,175 --> 00:43:14,246 I mean it's unbelievable. 990 00:43:14,281 --> 00:43:16,766 - I think people have always had in their minds, 991 00:43:16,801 --> 00:43:18,561 like one way or the other, 992 00:43:18,596 --> 00:43:20,390 whether they believe he's innocent or guilty, 993 00:43:20,425 --> 00:43:23,635 I think once they have that idea in their head 994 00:43:23,670 --> 00:43:26,638 no matter how much evidence is put forward, 995 00:43:26,673 --> 00:43:31,505 I don't think anyone's mind ever gets swayed. 996 00:43:31,539 --> 00:43:34,646 And I do think once you've got that image in your head, 997 00:43:34,681 --> 00:43:36,855 if you think that he's guilty, 998 00:43:36,890 --> 00:43:39,686 it doesn't matter how much evidence comes forward, 999 00:43:39,720 --> 00:43:41,032 or how many people speak out 1000 00:43:41,066 --> 00:43:42,723 and give their version of events, 1001 00:43:42,758 --> 00:43:44,760 there's an image that the media I think 1002 00:43:44,794 --> 00:43:45,864 want you to have of him, 1003 00:43:45,899 --> 00:43:49,868 and it's almost like any evidence that comes out, 1004 00:43:49,903 --> 00:43:52,043 disproving what they've said, 1005 00:43:52,077 --> 00:43:54,804 it's like they don't want to know. 1006 00:43:54,839 --> 00:43:57,635 If you consider what there is out there, 1007 00:43:57,669 --> 00:44:01,811 that actually shows him in an innocent light. 1008 00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:04,089 Versus what doesn't, 1009 00:44:04,124 --> 00:44:07,403 I mean it completely is like, staggering, 1010 00:44:07,437 --> 00:44:09,992 how much evidence there is to support the fact 1011 00:44:10,026 --> 00:44:12,304 that he is an innocent man, 1012 00:44:12,339 --> 00:44:15,135 and people don't want to hear it, they really don't. 1013 00:44:15,169 --> 00:44:17,724 And he went to court, he was acquitted. 1014 00:44:19,173 --> 00:44:22,073 His Neverland home was raided. 1015 00:44:22,107 --> 00:44:24,040 The FBI investigated him for 10 years, 1016 00:44:24,075 --> 00:44:26,733 and people forget about that, and when it's brought up, 1017 00:44:26,767 --> 00:44:29,356 it's like they don't care, they don't want to hear that. 1018 00:44:29,390 --> 00:44:32,428 I could make a claim that something's happened to me, 1019 00:44:32,462 --> 00:44:34,154 and people would believe it. 1020 00:44:37,778 --> 00:44:40,367 - I don't think this is a deliberate hijacking 1021 00:44:40,401 --> 00:44:42,610 or piggybacking on to 1022 00:44:42,645 --> 00:44:47,305 These allegations were first made way before that, 2013. 1023 00:44:47,339 --> 00:44:48,582 What I do believe, 1024 00:44:48,616 --> 00:44:51,792 is that the documentary. 1025 00:44:51,827 --> 00:44:54,864 The media are very, very scared, 1026 00:44:54,899 --> 00:44:58,040 very wary, of doing any investigation work, 1027 00:44:58,074 --> 00:45:00,007 or questioning this documentary whatsoever, 1028 00:45:00,042 --> 00:45:01,388 because of 1029 00:45:01,422 --> 00:45:04,874 Because we cannot challenge any more, 1030 00:45:04,909 --> 00:45:07,981 we cannot question alleged victims, 1031 00:45:08,015 --> 00:45:09,948 which goes against all journalism. 1032 00:45:09,983 --> 00:45:11,570 Journalism is about seeking the truth. 1033 00:45:11,605 --> 00:45:13,538 If you upset some people, then so be it. 1034 00:45:13,572 --> 00:45:16,299 So "Leaving Neverland," 1035 00:45:16,334 --> 00:45:18,957 really protects Safechuck, Robson, and Dan Reed, 1036 00:45:18,992 --> 00:45:22,133 because the media will not challenge the allegations. 1037 00:45:23,824 --> 00:45:25,653 For example, the work I've done in the media, 1038 00:45:25,688 --> 00:45:28,967 I know that people will probably look at that as 1039 00:45:29,002 --> 00:45:32,730 victim-shaming, or be on the side of this alleged pedophile, 1040 00:45:32,764 --> 00:45:34,490 but for me that's not the case. 1041 00:45:34,524 --> 00:45:37,769 If people see me in a negative light 1042 00:45:37,804 --> 00:45:40,013 because of the research I'm doing, so be it, 1043 00:45:40,047 --> 00:45:41,877 because I want to seek the truth. 1044 00:45:41,911 --> 00:45:45,018 I want to put this under a microscope, 1045 00:45:45,052 --> 00:45:47,020 and do my job as a journalist, 1046 00:45:47,054 --> 00:45:49,401 and try and seek the truth. 1047 00:45:49,436 --> 00:45:53,060 The coverage in the media has been, again, so one-sided, 1048 00:45:53,095 --> 00:45:55,442 and no journalist can be bothered to do their job. 1049 00:45:55,476 --> 00:45:56,615 It's all copy and paste, 1050 00:45:56,650 --> 00:45:58,652 copy and paste each article, 1051 00:45:58,686 --> 00:46:01,241 and all this, Michael Jackson needs to be counseled. 1052 00:46:01,275 --> 00:46:03,795 No challenge made whatsoever because 1053 00:46:03,830 --> 00:46:07,385 journalists are scared of the damage to their reputations. 1054 00:46:10,043 --> 00:46:12,252 People think I'm defending Michael Jackson. 1055 00:46:12,286 --> 00:46:14,668 Directly I guess, yes I am, 1056 00:46:14,702 --> 00:46:17,050 but what I'm trying to do is balance 1057 00:46:17,084 --> 00:46:18,983 what didn't happen from the beginning. 1058 00:46:20,743 --> 00:46:23,366 So from the beginning, Dan Reed, the director, 1059 00:46:23,401 --> 00:46:25,299 not investigating the claims, 1060 00:46:25,334 --> 00:46:29,476 not making a balanced, 50-50 documentary where 1061 00:46:29,510 --> 00:46:31,443 we interview Robson and Safechuck, 1062 00:46:31,478 --> 00:46:32,997 and then we challenge them 1063 00:46:33,031 --> 00:46:35,068 about all the different inconsistencies, 1064 00:46:35,102 --> 00:46:38,105 about the lawsuit, about the financial motive. 1065 00:46:41,557 --> 00:46:43,801 1066 00:46:43,835 --> 00:46:46,700 a great cause, for people to be able to speak out, 1067 00:46:46,734 --> 00:46:48,219 that's fantastic, that's great. 1068 00:46:48,253 --> 00:46:53,120 The core values of are incredibly positive, 1069 00:46:53,155 --> 00:46:55,502 but when that gags the media, 1070 00:46:55,536 --> 00:46:57,918 that's incredibly dangerous. 1071 00:46:57,953 --> 00:47:00,818 [soft piano music] 1072 00:47:14,521 --> 00:47:16,247 While it can't be completely ruled out, 1073 00:47:16,281 --> 00:47:20,423 that Michael Jackson abused Safechuck and Robson, 1074 00:47:22,115 --> 00:47:23,633 you just never know. 1075 00:47:23,668 --> 00:47:25,118 I can't sit here and say, 1076 00:47:25,152 --> 00:47:28,293 Michael Jackson's innocent, this definitely didn't happen. 1077 00:47:28,328 --> 00:47:30,192 But what I can say, 1078 00:47:30,226 --> 00:47:33,574 is that at least half a dozen things, 1079 00:47:34,472 --> 00:47:35,576 they're inconsistent, 1080 00:47:36,819 --> 00:47:38,510 they're lying in court, 1081 00:47:38,545 --> 00:47:40,340 so if I'm sitting on the jury, 1082 00:47:40,374 --> 00:47:44,102 and I hear that those two have lied under oath, 1083 00:47:44,137 --> 00:47:46,518 to be able to sue for money, 1084 00:47:46,553 --> 00:47:48,244 and just lying in general, 1085 00:47:48,279 --> 00:47:50,177 and their stories are not adding up, 1086 00:47:50,212 --> 00:47:53,422 just so they can sue the Michael Jackson estate. 1087 00:47:53,456 --> 00:47:55,010 I'll think to myself, 1088 00:47:55,044 --> 00:47:56,701 they've lied about that, 1089 00:47:56,735 --> 00:47:57,978 what about the rest? 1090 00:47:58,013 --> 00:48:00,808 Because all of it is testimony. 1091 00:48:00,843 --> 00:48:02,155 There's no physical evidence. 1092 00:48:02,189 --> 00:48:03,432 There's no forensic evidence. 1093 00:48:03,466 --> 00:48:05,813 The only evidence that they've got, 1094 00:48:05,848 --> 00:48:08,333 is their oral testimony, 1095 00:48:08,368 --> 00:48:11,060 and in that oral testimony they've lied several times. 1096 00:48:11,095 --> 00:48:12,993 So what about the rest of the whole testimony? 1097 00:48:13,028 --> 00:48:15,478 Can you convict, can you be sure, 1098 00:48:15,513 --> 00:48:17,480 that Michael Jackson is guilty, 1099 00:48:17,515 --> 00:48:21,795 when part of that whole testimony is irrefutably false. 1100 00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:25,488 That's what you'd have to ask yourself, 1101 00:48:25,523 --> 00:48:27,456 if you had to try Michael Jackson. 1102 00:48:27,490 --> 00:48:28,733 That's what it comes down to. 1103 00:48:28,767 --> 00:48:30,769 Can you be sure that Robson and Safechuck 1104 00:48:30,804 --> 00:48:32,840 are telling the truth, about the whole thing? 1105 00:48:32,875 --> 00:48:37,880 You know that 10-20-30% of it is provably a lie, 1106 00:48:38,743 --> 00:48:41,608 or incredibly inconsistent. 1107 00:48:42,471 --> 00:48:43,472 What about the rest? 1108 00:48:43,506 --> 00:48:44,680 That's the bottom line. 1109 00:48:45,784 --> 00:48:47,510 - I will be acquitted, and vindicated, 1110 00:48:47,545 --> 00:48:48,960 when the truth is told. 1111 00:48:48,995 --> 00:48:49,857 Thank you. 1112 00:48:57,589 --> 00:48:59,453 Prince, that was for you, 1113 00:48:59,488 --> 00:49:01,869 to learn about perseverance, and confidence, 1114 00:49:01,904 --> 00:49:05,114 and the true meaning of success with just love, 1115 00:49:05,149 --> 00:49:06,874 and to know that you can reach any goal 1116 00:49:06,909 --> 00:49:08,014 that your heart desires. 1117 00:49:08,048 --> 00:49:09,222 It's totally up to you, 1118 00:49:09,256 --> 00:49:10,637 you can do anything you want to be, 1119 00:49:10,671 --> 00:49:11,500 and I love you. 1120 00:49:12,604 --> 00:49:14,986 - He was the most amazing father 1121 00:49:15,021 --> 00:49:16,332 that you could ever witness. 1122 00:49:16,367 --> 00:49:17,609 - Michael's kids adored him, 1123 00:49:17,644 --> 00:49:19,887 they would follow him like little ducklings 1124 00:49:19,922 --> 00:49:21,751 following their mother duck. 1125 00:49:21,786 --> 00:49:23,477 He was just great, 1126 00:49:23,512 --> 00:49:26,894 but he had boundaries with his children. 1127 00:49:26,929 --> 00:49:29,173 They had to go to bed at a certain time. 1128 00:49:30,070 --> 00:49:32,003 They had a tutor, 1129 00:49:33,142 --> 00:49:35,041 they had to have four hours, minimum, 1130 00:49:35,075 --> 00:49:37,008 every day, of schooling. 1131 00:49:37,043 --> 00:49:41,323 When I took my kids to see Michael at any time, 1132 00:49:42,772 --> 00:49:45,154 they were always whisked off to do their schooling, 1133 00:49:45,189 --> 00:49:47,743 and my kids were like, oh, do we have to do that? 1134 00:49:47,777 --> 00:49:50,263 I said, oh no no, it's fine, you're on holiday. 1135 00:49:50,297 --> 00:49:52,541 - I think one thing that really stood out 1136 00:49:52,575 --> 00:49:57,442 was how well-brought-up the children were. 1137 00:49:57,477 --> 00:49:59,030 These were children that could probably 1138 00:49:59,065 --> 00:50:01,170 like have anything that they wanted. 1139 00:50:01,205 --> 00:50:05,174 But they were just so polite 1140 00:50:05,209 --> 00:50:07,038 and respectful to everyone. 1141 00:50:08,729 --> 00:50:10,248 - [Michael] Are you ready for this? 1142 00:50:10,283 --> 00:50:11,180 Here we go. 1143 00:50:13,079 --> 00:50:14,183 Good move. 1144 00:50:15,460 --> 00:50:16,427 - Daddy? 1145 00:50:16,461 --> 00:50:17,428 - [Michael] Yes? 1146 00:50:17,462 --> 00:50:18,705 - This is a real game. 1147 00:50:18,739 --> 00:50:21,018 - [Michael] Now you move that, your turn. 1148 00:50:23,330 --> 00:50:26,402 Good move, apple head, very good. 1149 00:50:26,437 --> 00:50:29,612 - Daddy, we should live in a castle like this. 1150 00:50:29,647 --> 00:50:31,683 - [Michael] I know, I love that castle. 1151 00:50:31,718 --> 00:50:33,858 - My kids absolutely adored Michael. 1152 00:50:33,892 --> 00:50:36,033 I mean I took my two younger daughters to Neverland, 1153 00:50:36,067 --> 00:50:39,139 and we spent about a week there. 1154 00:50:39,174 --> 00:50:42,039 And they had access to everything. 1155 00:50:42,073 --> 00:50:44,938 At the end of the week I was with Michael, 1156 00:50:44,972 --> 00:50:47,078 and I'm prompted, and I'm talking about 1157 00:50:47,113 --> 00:50:51,324 they would have been about seven, eight, nine years old, 1158 00:50:51,358 --> 00:50:53,119 and I said to him at the end of the week, 1159 00:50:53,153 --> 00:50:56,432 I said what was the best thing that you liked about Neverland? 1160 00:50:56,467 --> 00:50:59,125 And they both turned around and said, 1161 00:50:59,159 --> 00:51:01,886 the best thing about Neverland, was being with Michael. 1162 00:51:03,025 --> 00:51:07,340 - Daddy, thank you for my birthday cake, 1163 00:51:07,374 --> 00:51:09,928 and I love you so much. 1164 00:51:17,039 --> 00:51:18,799 I love my daddy so much. 1165 00:51:22,907 --> 00:51:25,151 You're the best daddy in the whole world. 1166 00:51:32,848 --> 00:51:35,161 - I think before "Leaving Neverland," 1167 00:51:35,195 --> 00:51:37,266 the allegation had almost been forgotten. 1168 00:51:38,750 --> 00:51:41,028 After Michael died people were willing to celebrate 1169 00:51:41,063 --> 00:51:43,514 his music again, who he was, 1170 00:51:45,378 --> 00:51:46,793 there's a saying isn't it, 1171 00:51:46,827 --> 00:51:50,279 that you appreciate something really when it's gone. 1172 00:51:50,314 --> 00:51:51,763 And after Michael died, 1173 00:51:53,317 --> 00:51:55,181 no one was really talking about that anymore, 1174 00:51:55,215 --> 00:51:56,147 the allegations, 1175 00:51:56,182 --> 00:51:58,494 the plastic surgery. 1176 00:51:58,529 --> 00:51:59,495 It was being spoken about, 1177 00:51:59,530 --> 00:52:01,083 but ultimately it was back 1178 00:52:01,118 --> 00:52:03,120 to Michael Jackson, the performer. 1179 00:52:03,154 --> 00:52:05,398 That has totally changed now, 1180 00:52:05,432 --> 00:52:07,193 with the movie, "Neverland." 1181 00:52:07,227 --> 00:52:09,678 obviously, you've got the fans who still adore him 1182 00:52:09,712 --> 00:52:11,128 they're never gonna turn their back on him. 1183 00:52:11,162 --> 00:52:13,854 You've got many people, normal members of the public, 1184 00:52:13,889 --> 00:52:16,581 who still don't believe the allegations. 1185 00:52:16,616 --> 00:52:17,893 But you've also got these people 1186 00:52:17,927 --> 00:52:19,412 who are sort of in the middle, 1187 00:52:20,620 --> 00:52:23,519 who have now gone to the other side. 1188 00:52:23,554 --> 00:52:25,935 They're not listening to him anymore. 1189 00:52:25,970 --> 00:52:27,144 Or they say they're not. 1190 00:52:28,524 --> 00:52:31,044 So it has had an effect on his legacy, for sure. 1191 00:52:31,078 --> 00:52:35,290 I think again, because of how 1192 00:52:35,324 --> 00:52:36,532 the allegations made on him 1193 00:52:36,567 --> 00:52:38,224 have backfired slightly now. 1194 00:52:38,258 --> 00:52:40,467 People are starting to challenge them now. 1195 00:52:40,502 --> 00:52:42,020 So I think slowly but surely, 1196 00:52:42,055 --> 00:52:44,678 we will cover the situation where we'll cover, 1197 00:52:44,713 --> 00:52:47,198 but I think it's a testament to Michael Jackson, 1198 00:52:47,233 --> 00:52:50,960 that he can be accused of these horrendous crimes, 1199 00:52:50,995 --> 00:52:53,687 on three occasions, and yet we're still 1200 00:52:53,722 --> 00:52:56,897 talking about him in musical terms. 1201 00:52:56,932 --> 00:52:59,141 [crowd cheering] 1202 00:52:59,176 --> 00:53:00,970 - This is it, I mean, this is really it. 1203 00:53:01,005 --> 00:53:02,282 This is the final, 1204 00:53:02,317 --> 00:53:04,767 this is the final curtain call. 1205 00:53:07,770 --> 00:53:11,222 - I just remember Michael as just being a very generous, 1206 00:53:11,257 --> 00:53:16,227 very kind, he'd always listen to what you were saying. 1207 00:53:17,124 --> 00:53:18,747 It wasn't always about him, 1208 00:53:18,781 --> 00:53:20,369 or what he was doing, 1209 00:53:20,404 --> 00:53:21,681 in fact, very little, 1210 00:53:22,647 --> 00:53:26,064 he'd listen an awful lot, 1211 00:53:26,099 --> 00:53:28,205 and he used to listen to my children. 1212 00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:31,311 He used to ask them how they were doing at school, 1213 00:53:31,346 --> 00:53:33,796 what their favorite subjects were, 1214 00:53:33,831 --> 00:53:35,902 what they wanted to do when they grew up, 1215 00:53:35,936 --> 00:53:38,767 and he took a lot of time 1216 00:53:38,801 --> 00:53:42,011 finding out about what other people, 1217 00:53:42,046 --> 00:53:43,461 and what their interests were. 1218 00:53:43,496 --> 00:53:45,463 He was a very, very good father, 1219 00:53:45,498 --> 00:53:47,672 to the point where it used to annoy me, 1220 00:53:47,707 --> 00:53:49,502 the fact that how good a father he was, 1221 00:53:49,536 --> 00:53:52,470 'cause it used to make me look not such a good dad. 1222 00:53:56,957 --> 00:53:59,028 Just a free spirit really. 1223 00:53:59,063 --> 00:54:02,480 He was a free bird. 1224 00:54:05,034 --> 00:54:06,553 I miss Michael a lot, 1225 00:54:06,588 --> 00:54:11,420 I miss him a lot and my kids miss him. 1226 00:54:11,455 --> 00:54:14,354 They miss his kids, 1227 00:54:14,389 --> 00:54:17,184 and it's just such a shame 1228 00:54:17,219 --> 00:54:19,808 that the man isn't around with us. 1229 00:54:19,842 --> 00:54:22,673 - I mean just how caring 1230 00:54:22,707 --> 00:54:24,261 and how loving he was, 1231 00:54:24,295 --> 00:54:26,193 he had so much love to give. 1232 00:54:26,228 --> 00:54:30,957 And I would give anything if he was to be still around, 1233 00:54:30,991 --> 00:54:34,478 but in a way, because of his name 1234 00:54:34,512 --> 00:54:37,308 being drug through the mud, as sad as it sounds, 1235 00:54:37,343 --> 00:54:39,586 I'm kind of glad he's not here to see this, 1236 00:54:39,621 --> 00:54:42,796 because he would be heartbroken, he really would. 1237 00:54:42,831 --> 00:54:47,249 When it all first came out, he was obviously devastated. 1238 00:54:47,284 --> 00:54:49,700 He just couldn't comprehend how people 1239 00:54:49,734 --> 00:54:50,977 could think that about him. 1240 00:54:51,011 --> 00:54:53,324 To be honest, he couldn't comprehend how 1241 00:54:53,359 --> 00:54:56,051 anyone could even do that to a child, let alone him. 1242 00:54:56,085 --> 00:54:57,915 So then, for those accusations 1243 00:54:57,949 --> 00:55:01,367 to be made towards him, 1244 00:55:01,401 --> 00:55:02,885 he was heartbroken. 1245 00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:07,545 I don't think he was really the same, after. 1246 00:55:07,580 --> 00:55:09,858 I think he was just like, 1247 00:55:09,892 --> 00:55:13,517 he was just a broken man really, to be honest. 1248 00:55:13,551 --> 00:55:16,002 - He was an intelligent, smart guy, 1249 00:55:16,036 --> 00:55:19,074 not some comic figure that people seem to think he is. 1250 00:55:20,006 --> 00:55:21,904 He was an intelligent man. 1251 00:55:21,939 --> 00:55:24,493 And intelligence is not shown, 1252 00:55:24,528 --> 00:55:26,944 and I think that may be his biggest mistake. 1253 00:55:26,978 --> 00:55:28,877 Had he shown the businessman Michael Jackson, 1254 00:55:28,911 --> 00:55:31,845 which he did a little bit with the Beatles catalog decision, 1255 00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:34,331 and a few other wise moves he made, 1256 00:55:34,365 --> 00:55:36,298 then they would understand him more. 1257 00:55:36,333 --> 00:55:39,059 But yeah, he's misunderstood, 1258 00:55:39,094 --> 00:55:41,786 and it's a shame that we're not celebrating 1259 00:55:41,821 --> 00:55:43,236 his music and dance now, 1260 00:55:43,270 --> 00:55:45,963 on his 10th year anniversary of his passing, 1261 00:55:45,997 --> 00:55:49,794 and having to deal with stuff that's been done with, 1262 00:55:49,829 --> 00:55:52,556 but he never really recovered from that. 1263 00:55:52,590 --> 00:55:53,522 It broke his heart. 1264 00:55:57,423 --> 00:55:58,665 [Michael singing] 1265 00:55:58,700 --> 00:56:00,874 ♪ Counting your blessings 1266 00:56:00,909 --> 00:56:03,808 ♪ Biding your time 1267 00:56:03,843 --> 00:56:06,949 ♪ Then you lay me down sleeping ♪ 1268 00:56:06,984 --> 00:56:09,262 ♪ My heart is bleeding 1269 00:56:09,296 --> 00:56:11,402 ♪ You go down sleeping 1270 00:56:11,437 --> 00:56:15,613 ♪ And pray for all 1271 00:56:15,648 --> 00:56:18,961 ♪ Do the work for all 1272 00:56:18,996 --> 00:56:21,170 [muffled] 1273 00:56:28,902 --> 00:56:29,938 - Where's you guys' rhythm? 1274 00:56:29,972 --> 00:56:32,527 [man laughing] 1275 00:56:33,493 --> 00:56:35,944 ♪ You're changing well 1276 00:56:35,978 --> 00:56:39,257 ♪ And wishing them all 1277 00:56:40,431 --> 00:56:42,399 - We know what Peter Pan represents, 1278 00:56:42,433 --> 00:56:43,848 never growing up, 1279 00:56:43,883 --> 00:56:45,609 staying childlike forever. 1280 00:56:45,643 --> 00:56:48,784 Michael, in adulthood, sees himself as Peter Pan, 1281 00:56:48,819 --> 00:56:51,477 and remaining childlike forever. 1282 00:56:51,511 --> 00:56:53,479 Michael never wanted to grow up. 1283 00:56:53,513 --> 00:56:55,342 Whenever anyone mentioned it to him, 1284 00:56:55,377 --> 00:56:58,173 he would just cry, because he 1285 00:56:58,207 --> 00:56:59,243 really believed that, 1286 00:56:59,277 --> 00:57:00,969 and he deeply believed that. 1287 00:57:03,005 --> 00:57:05,663 In the Bashir interview as well, he says, 1288 00:57:07,078 --> 00:57:08,770 because she asks him the question you're asking me now, 1289 00:57:08,804 --> 00:57:11,807 about Peter Pan, and he says, "I am Peter Pan." 1290 00:57:11,842 --> 00:57:15,293 Bashir says, "No you're not, you're Michael Jackson." 1291 00:57:15,328 --> 00:57:18,435 And Michael Jackson says, "I'm Peter Pan in my heart." 1292 00:57:20,644 --> 00:57:25,649 ♪ Have you seen my childhood 1293 00:57:26,891 --> 00:57:30,826 ♪ I'm searching for the world that I come from ♪ 1294 00:57:32,069 --> 00:57:35,728 ♪ 'Cause I've been looking around ♪ 1295 00:57:35,762 --> 00:57:40,353 ♪ In the lost and found of my heart ♪ 1296 00:57:40,387 --> 00:57:41,941 - When Michael talks about the song, "Childhood," 1297 00:57:41,975 --> 00:57:43,390 from the "History" album, 1298 00:57:43,425 --> 00:57:47,429 he says, "Our personal history begins in childhood, 1299 00:57:47,464 --> 00:57:50,467 "and the song 'Childhood' is a reflection of my life. 1300 00:57:50,501 --> 00:57:53,124 "It's about the pain, some of the joys, 1301 00:57:53,159 --> 00:57:54,505 "some of the dreaming, 1302 00:57:54,540 --> 00:57:56,749 "some of the mental adventures that I took, 1303 00:57:56,783 --> 00:57:58,751 "because of the different lifestyle that I had, 1304 00:57:58,785 --> 00:58:00,511 "in being a child performer. 1305 00:58:00,546 --> 00:58:01,995 "I was born onstage, 1306 00:58:02,030 --> 00:58:05,136 "and 'Childhood,' it's my mirror, it's my story." 1307 00:58:06,517 --> 00:58:11,488 ♪ Before you judge me 1308 00:58:12,281 --> 00:58:16,803 ♪ Try hard to love me 1309 00:58:17,563 --> 00:58:22,360 ♪ The painful youth 1310 00:58:22,982 --> 00:58:24,742 ♪ I've had 1311 00:58:34,062 --> 00:58:37,824 ♪ Have you seen my Childhood 1312 00:58:50,457 --> 00:58:54,289 [dramatic instrumental music]